Chiefs Fatlock: After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot? - Page 2

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-04-2013, 08:46 AM

After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot?

UPDATED JAN 4, 2013 1:51 AM ET

I come from a long line of stone-cold hustlers. My grandfather loan-sharked and ran numbers on the south side of Indianapolis for his entire adult life. My father’s barbershop doubled as a craps house after hours, and I learned to hustle “tip books” at his neighborhood bars. My uncle ran a pea-shake house out of a dry cleaners. My grandfather, father and uncle all held down full-time jobs at Chrysler while hustling to make ends meet.

I mention this to add weight to my assertion that Andy Reid is on the brink of pulling off the greatest hustle I’ve ever witnessed.

The stench of Reid’s last two years in Philly is still smothering football fans in the City of Brotherly Love, and meanwhile he’s the hottest coaching prospect in the NFL, on the verge of being the first coach awarded a seat during professional football’s annual game of musical chairs.

Apparently, the Kansas City Chiefs and owner Clark Hunt outraced Arizona and San Diego to Reid’s Philadelphia coaching carcass.

I can’t positively say I’m against this hiring. What I can say is that I’m absolutely amazed by its urgency and swiftness. The Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals chased after Reid like he was one of the Kardashians with a clean bill of health from Planned Parenthood and a fresh tummy tuck from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.

Hey, I’ve lived in Los Angeles for more than two years. I’ve heard all the Kardashian stories. Yes, they can put that thang on ya. But the truth is, there are more fish in the sea.

Does Clark Hunt know this? There are fish with less miles on their odometer, fish without indisputable video evidence of their sideline freakiness and questionable decision-making.

Because we’re in the “information age,” few people in the national media are focusing on Reid’s bizarre and troubling final two years in Philadelphia. Everyone wants to be first to provide the information about where Reid is going and who he is bringing with him and who is leaving because of his arrival. You can’t get that information from Reid, his handlers and his associates if you are publicly reminding Clark Hunt and Chiefs fans just how awful Reid was in Philadelphia in 2011 and 2012.

Let me repeat: I’m not anti-Andy Reid or retread coaches. There was a time when I thought Reid was as good as any coach in football. I loved the way he handled Donovan McNabb. And Bill Belichick, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy and a bunch of other retread coaches have been highly successful.

But Reid is a unique retread.

A high percentage of Eagles fans believe Reid hasn’t been right since his defensive coordinator Jim Johnson died of cancer in 2009. Reid hasn’t won a playoff game since Johnson passed.

My issue is the last two years. The Eagles were the “dream team” in 2011 and Super Bowl favorite. They went 8-8. They had to win their final four games to reach 8-8. To the utter shock and surprise of no one not named Andy Reid, the decision to promote longtime offensive-line coach Juan Castillo to DEFENSIVE coordinator blew up in Reid’s face. In their eight losses, the Eagles surrendered an average of 29.8 points.

The Eagles spent millions of dollars building a dream team, and Reid turned his defense over to an offensive-line coach on a whim. This is like getting a date with Beyonce and consulting with Ike Turner on how to romance her.

Reid allegedly had a nine-hour interview with Clark Hunt and his entourage on Wednesday. I hope someone asked Reid to write a short essay about Juan Castillo. Did anyone have the nerve to ask Reid about his son overdosing and dying at Philly’s training camp this summer? The kid had steroids on him, too.

There are so many questions you have to ask Andy Reid.

Tell us what role you played in giving Michael Vick a new lucrative contract and then overseeing an offensive strategy that repeatedly put your undersized quarterback in harm’s way because of your love of the pass and hatred of the run.

The Eagles went 4-12 this season. Reid fired Castillo early. The defense got significantly worse. The players quit. Vick complained his teammates weren’t committed. Reid left a mess in Philly.

If ever a coach needed a year off work to focus on his family, recharge and self-exam, it’s Andy Reid. Instead, he’s juggling coaching offers. Yep, maybe he’s John Fox and all he needs is a fresh start. Or maybe he’s been chasing his tail for too long and he’s gone crazy. Maybe the fact he could have his pick of jobs after being a disaster the last two years will stop him from doing the kind of self-inventory necessary to snap out of this tailspin.

Hunt reportedly is going to hand Reid all sorts of power. Reid will allegedly be allowed to pick his own front office. General manager Scott Pioli might be relieved of his duties, which would be a good thing. But I don’t see Reid as some sort of personnel guru. A lack of depth has hurt the Eagles the past few years.

This is simply a remarkable job of failing forward by Andy Reid. He found the perfect NFL owner and fan base desperate to get over the pain of a 2-14 season and an overmatched general manager. According to season-long gossip and reports, Hunt has sought the advice of Marty Schottenheimer, the former Chiefs coach.

Reid reminds me of Schottenheimer, only Reid loves to pass the ball and Marty loved to run it. Marty had a successful run in Cleveland and needed a fresh start in Kansas City. It worked out well. A few years ago, Scott Pioli reminded me of Carl Peterson, the general manager who hired Schottenheimer in KC and worked with Schottenheimer during the 1990s.

For a time, Marty and Carl balanced each other.

Who is going to balance Andy Reid? I realize no one wants to talk about it now, while we’re all pretending Reid is Don Shula coming off the '72 season, but there’s plenty of proof Reid went crazy in Philly.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/a...rk-hunt-010313

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-04-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Fair enough.

I'll give him credit for not mentioning Brian Kelly, who he's been pimping hard as the "best coach on the market." Although I haven't seen anywhere that he's "on the market."

True. I expected him to talk about Kelly at some point. As for his availability, if he's not off the market then he's on the market.

WhiteWhale · 01-04-2013, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Strongside

Whitlock is the most polarizing writer I know of. When I agree with him, I love his work. When I disagree or he says things I don't want to hear, I wish he'd just piss off.

That just means he's good.

KCUnited · 01-04-2013, 09:00 AM

He does have some fair points, however, when you know you are coming to the end of your tenure in a city, you tend to make some moves that you may not normally make due to pressure. Starting over in KC, Reid will have plenty of time to just make the playoffs.

Reerun_KC · 01-04-2013, 09:01 AM

**MahiMike** · 01-04-2013, 09:01 AM

Interesting. I also said Andy is the next Marty. They both had successful yet traumatic experiences in their previous gig. If Andy can be as successful as Marty, it'd at least put us back to 1993.

Reerun_KC · 01-04-2013, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

He does have some fair points, however, when you know you are coming to the end of your tenure in a city, you tend to make some moves that you may not normally make due to pressure. Starting over in KC, Reid will have plenty of time to just make the playoffs.

For example: Bones, Thugs and Marty...

bricks · 01-04-2013, 09:24 AM

"Quick" is an operative word and seems logical when you apply it to some of life's situations and circumstances.

In my opinion, the Chiefs needed to act quick because Reid instantly qualified as a hot commodity in the coaching market. Had they been passive in this situation; he would've been snagged away from them either by Arizona or SD.

What's more surprising to me is how the Chiefs acted quick/aggressive rather than passive. That's just unusual because it uncharacteristic of who they are.

*This situation is kind of like that "hot chick" at the bar that other men want. If you don't act as quick as possible; chances are other men will act quicker and possibly steal her away from you.

**ptlyon** · 01-04-2013, 09:33 AM

Didn't read it, but was one of his arguments was that Reid is white?

**DaKCMan AP** · 01-04-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

Didn't read it, but was one of his arguments was that Reid is white?

Didn't read this post, but was one of your slights about race?

Mother****erJones · 01-04-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Hey, he has some good points.

On a side note, it is possible that Clark wanted Reid last year, and with Philly going 4-8 he expected him to be available.

Maybe that's why we got stuck with Crennel.

Kiss ur cat its a happy day!!

ChiefMojo · 01-04-2013, 09:54 AM

Jason did make some good points but he did act like taking a chance was to risky mentality.

Andy Reid to KC made sense on so many levels. We have to hope he is re-energized and change in scenery/staff is what he needed.

**Buehler445** · 01-04-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Quit it assface. There are two hours until lunch.

Steron · 01-04-2013, 09:58 AM

I really wanted to be able to bash Fatty after reading this but I can't. He made some valid points.

**Buehler445** · 01-04-2013, 10:01 AM

Anyway, I'm not cumming all over myself for the Reid hire. (I am cumming all over myself because Fat Scott is gone) But of all the retreads I think he's the best though.

It's going to suck if Chip Kelly is successful in the NFL though. He may not of come here, but it's who I wanted. We need innovators, which Reid was, 15 years ago. But I'm afraid we are in re-tread mode when the league is moving a different direction (zone read elements, running QBs, spreading it out some). Maybe the pendulum will swing back to traditional football, but damn. Another retread?

BDB · 01-04-2013, 10:23 AM

All this is for not anyway. KC is a place where coaches go to die. There are certain franchises that simply have that stench about them them ala Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, and of course, KC. With having to face Peyton Manning style and John Fox defensenses the next 3 years, Reid will be unceremoniously sh*tcanned in two seasons and cordinating offense at the Univeristy of Louisville. KC is a team stacked with defensive pro bowlers, and yet they hire a coach shown to be inept at defense? Once again, a franchise with a stench, simply can't get out of its own way.

01-04-2013, 08:46 AM
DaKCMan AP Beloved & Awesome CP Celebrity Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Florida Casino cash: $6774952	Fatlock: After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot? After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot? UPDATED JAN 4, 2013 1:51 AM ET I come from a long line of stone-cold hustlers. My grandfather loan-sharked and ran numbers on the south side of Indianapolis for his entire adult life. My father’s barbershop doubled as a craps house after hours, and I learned to hustle “tip books” at his neighborhood bars. My uncle ran a pea-shake house out of a dry cleaners. My grandfather, father and uncle all held down full-time jobs at Chrysler while hustling to make ends meet. I mention this to add weight to my assertion that Andy Reid is on the brink of pulling off the greatest hustle I’ve ever witnessed. The stench of Reid’s last two years in Philly is still smothering football fans in the City of Brotherly Love, and meanwhile he’s the hottest coaching prospect in the NFL, on the verge of being the first coach awarded a seat during professional football’s annual game of musical chairs. Apparently, the Kansas City Chiefs and owner Clark Hunt outraced Arizona and San Diego to Reid’s Philadelphia coaching carcass. I can’t positively say I’m against this hiring. What I can say is that I’m absolutely amazed by its urgency and swiftness. The Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals chased after Reid like he was one of the Kardashians with a clean bill of health from Planned Parenthood and a fresh tummy tuck from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon. Hey, I’ve lived in Los Angeles for more than two years. I’ve heard all the Kardashian stories. Yes, they can put that thang on ya. But the truth is, there are more fish in the sea. Does Clark Hunt know this? There are fish with less miles on their odometer, fish without indisputable video evidence of their sideline freakiness and questionable decision-making. Because we’re in the “information age,” few people in the national media are focusing on Reid’s bizarre and troubling final two years in Philadelphia. Everyone wants to be first to provide the information about where Reid is going and who he is bringing with him and who is leaving because of his arrival. You can’t get that information from Reid, his handlers and his associates if you are publicly reminding Clark Hunt and Chiefs fans just how awful Reid was in Philadelphia in 2011 and 2012. Let me repeat: I’m not anti-Andy Reid or retread coaches. There was a time when I thought Reid was as good as any coach in football. I loved the way he handled Donovan McNabb. And Bill Belichick, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy and a bunch of other retread coaches have been highly successful. But Reid is a unique retread. A high percentage of Eagles fans believe Reid hasn’t been right since his defensive coordinator Jim Johnson died of cancer in 2009. Reid hasn’t won a playoff game since Johnson passed. My issue is the last two years. The Eagles were the “dream team” in 2011 and Super Bowl favorite. They went 8-8. They had to win their final four games to reach 8-8. To the utter shock and surprise of no one not named Andy Reid, the decision to promote longtime offensive-line coach Juan Castillo to DEFENSIVE coordinator blew up in Reid’s face. In their eight losses, the Eagles surrendered an average of 29.8 points. The Eagles spent millions of dollars building a dream team, and Reid turned his defense over to an offensive-line coach on a whim. This is like getting a date with Beyonce and consulting with Ike Turner on how to romance her. Reid allegedly had a nine-hour interview with Clark Hunt and his entourage on Wednesday. I hope someone asked Reid to write a short essay about Juan Castillo. Did anyone have the nerve to ask Reid about his son overdosing and dying at Philly’s training camp this summer? The kid had steroids on him, too. There are so many questions you have to ask Andy Reid. Tell us what role you played in giving Michael Vick a new lucrative contract and then overseeing an offensive strategy that repeatedly put your undersized quarterback in harm’s way because of your love of the pass and hatred of the run. The Eagles went 4-12 this season. Reid fired Castillo early. The defense got significantly worse. The players quit. Vick complained his teammates weren’t committed. Reid left a mess in Philly. If ever a coach needed a year off work to focus on his family, recharge and self-exam, it’s Andy Reid. Instead, he’s juggling coaching offers. Yep, maybe he’s John Fox and all he needs is a fresh start. Or maybe he’s been chasing his tail for too long and he’s gone crazy. Maybe the fact he could have his pick of jobs after being a disaster the last two years will stop him from doing the kind of self-inventory necessary to snap out of this tailspin. Hunt reportedly is going to hand Reid all sorts of power. Reid will allegedly be allowed to pick his own front office. General manager Scott Pioli might be relieved of his duties, which would be a good thing. But I don’t see Reid as some sort of personnel guru. A lack of depth has hurt the Eagles the past few years. This is simply a remarkable job of failing forward by Andy Reid. He found the perfect NFL owner and fan base desperate to get over the pain of a 2-14 season and an overmatched general manager. According to season-long gossip and reports, Hunt has sought the advice of Marty Schottenheimer, the former Chiefs coach. Reid reminds me of Schottenheimer, only Reid loves to pass the ball and Marty loved to run it. Marty had a successful run in Cleveland and needed a fresh start in Kansas City. It worked out well. A few years ago, Scott Pioli reminded me of Carl Peterson, the general manager who hired Schottenheimer in KC and worked with Schottenheimer during the 1990s. For a time, Marty and Carl balanced each other. Who is going to balance Andy Reid? I realize no one wants to talk about it now, while we’re all pretending Reid is Don Shula coming off the '72 season, but there’s plenty of proof Reid went crazy in Philly. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/a...rk-hunt-010313
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01-04-2013, 09:24 AM	#22
bricks Hey Teacher! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: land of maple syrup Casino cash: $9902559	"Quick" is an operative word and seems logical when you apply it to some of life's situations and circumstances. In my opinion, the Chiefs needed to act quick because Reid instantly qualified as a hot commodity in the coaching market. Had they been passive in this situation; he would've been snagged away from them either by Arizona or SD. What's more surprising to me is how the Chiefs acted quick/aggressive rather than passive. That's just unusual because it uncharacteristic of who they are. *This situation is kind of like that "hot chick" at the bar that other men want. If you don't act as quick as possible; chances are other men will act quicker and possibly steal her away from you.
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ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	Jason did make some good points but he did act like taking a chance was to risky mentality. Andy Reid to KC made sense on so many levels. We have to hope he is re-energized and change in scenery/staff is what he needed.
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01-04-2013, 10:01 AM	#29
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2364734	Anyway, I'm not cumming all over myself for the Reid hire. (I am cumming all over myself because Fat Scott is gone) But of all the retreads I think he's the best though. It's going to suck if Chip Kelly is successful in the NFL though. He may not of come here, but it's who I wanted. We need innovators, which Reid was, 15 years ago. But I'm afraid we are in re-tread mode when the league is moving a different direction (zone read elements, running QBs, spreading it out some). Maybe the pendulum will swing back to traditional football, but damn. Another retread?
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01-04-2013, 10:23 AM	#30
BDB Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	All this is for not anyway. KC is a place where coaches go to die. There are certain franchises that simply have that stench about them them ala Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, and of course, KC. With having to face Peyton Manning style and John Fox defensenses the next 3 years, Reid will be unceremoniously sh*tcanned in two seasons and cordinating offense at the Univeristy of Louisville. KC is a team stacked with defensive pro bowlers, and yet they hire a coach shown to be inept at defense? Once again, a franchise with a stench, simply can't get out of its own way.
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