Game of Thrones *Spoiler* Thread

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There's been some recent confusion with the old spoiler thread, so I'm kicking off a new one for tonight's premiere. This is going to be the one for folks who've read all the books. So anything anybody might want to talk about is in bounds. Suffice to say, if you haven't read the books, you'll probably want to stay out of here until you do...

I'll bump the old spoiler-free thread shortly in case anybody's interested. For future reference the link to that one is here

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

It seems like people have varying definitions for the word 'justified'.

Let's look at it this way:

What other murders have been more justified than Tywin's?

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Hawk

I saw another rumor that seems like it could be interesting (though another big departure from the books):

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I read that the actor who played Jaqen Hagar is in the full time cast for season 5. The rumor is that he will be taking the place of the old man that trains Arya and instead will be the main one that trains Arya to be a Faceless Man. The waif has been cast, but no old man. That has the potential to be pretty awesome.

The show is just a separate entity from the books at this point, but I agree that when the show kills off characters or writes them out, it feels like those characters are not ultimately important in the books which kinda sucks. Hopefully book 6 will come out before the next season airs.

I seriously doubt the books finish before the show.


George is going to eat himself to death.

[Ragged Robin]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I seriously doubt the books finish before the show.


George is going to eat himself to death.

He also has a capacity for writing hundreds upon hundreds of pages of largely useless drivel that doesn't progress the story in any relevant way (see: nearly all of A Feast for Crows).

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Let's look at it this way:

What other murders have been more justified than Tywin's?

I know some people on here would say any murder of a Frey is more justified.

Just because it's more justified than a bunch of other murders doesn't mean it's actually justified.

Here's a question: what about Renly? Was his murder justified?

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Let's look at it this way:

What other murders have been more justified than Tywin's?

Arya's murders have been.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

I know some people on here would say any murder of a Frey is more justified.

Just because it's more justified than a bunch of other murders doesn't mean it's actually justified.

Here's a question: what about Renly? Was his murder justified?

Originally Posted by Setsuna

Arya's murders have been.

Given these responses, I think the issue is that you've both been trying to debate whether a murder is justified in a show where there are literally hundreds that aren't.

It's like saying, OH MY GOD, DID YOU KNOW THAT MCDONALD'S HAMBURGERS ARE BAD FOR YOU? Well...sure. All hamburgers are bad for you. What's your point?

[MagicHef]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Given these responses, I think the issue is that you've both been trying to debate whether a murder is justified in a show where there are literally hundreds that aren't.

It's like saying, OH MY GOD, DID YOU KNOW THAT MCDONALD'S HAMBURGERS ARE BAD FOR YOU? Well...sure. All hamburgers are bad for you. What's your point?

Of course there are hundreds that aren't. My issue with how Tyrion's rampage was delivered on the show was that it was much more justified than in the books. I'm not trying to determine if Tyrion is a better person than someone else, I enjoyed the darkness that was shown through him committing heinous acts while in emotional shock. It made his character more interesting when the likable guy who actually had empathy for the smallfolk suddenly strangled his lover while she was pleading for her life and claiming she was forced to testify against him.

Shae's death in the show wasn't even a murder, it was self defense, and the complexity of Tyrion's character suffers for it.

[allen_kcCard]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

Arya's murders have been.

Like the stable boy and gate guard?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

Like the stable boy and gate guard?

errr...yes?

The stable boy was going to take her back to be imprisoned, and the gate guard was a soldier in an army her family was at war with, right?

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Hmm...I don't see those circumstances being more deserving of murder than what Shae and Tywin did to Tyrion myself. The first two are innocents that are part of a group that are opposition to Arya, the latter are about as close to Tyrion as you can be in a father and lover, both of who betrayed him worse than anyone on Arya's list, much less these two examples that weren't.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by MagicHef

I know some people on here would say any murder of a Frey is more justified.

Just because it's more justified than a bunch of other murders doesn't mean it's actually justified.

Here's a question: what about Renly? Was his murder justified?

Yes, if you marry a woman as hot as Margaery and don't bang her on your wedding night until your pecker falls off, you absolutely should be murdered a thousand times. I don't care that he liked fellas, a piece of ass that good cannot be ignored.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by allen_kcCard

Like the stable boy and gate guard?

No. Try again.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Given these responses, I think the issue is that you've both been trying to debate whether a murder is justified in a show where there are literally hundreds that aren't.

It's like saying, OH MY GOD, DID YOU KNOW THAT MCDONALD'S HAMBURGERS ARE BAD FOR YOU? Well...sure. All hamburgers are bad for you. What's your point?

I answered your question with a correct response. You need to just agree and move on.

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This thread has gone into plaid.

[Hawk]

My favorite Arya kill was when she stabbed the Tickler over and over again while yelling "is there gold in the village!" That one was definitely justified as that guy needed to die an awful death for torturing all those people.