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Old 02-22-2013, 11:34 PM  
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I'm calling it now: EJ Manuel will the #1 pick by the Chiefs
I know this won't be popular, but I think this will be the guy that the Chiefs pick as their franchise QB. There are a couple of reasons for this: 1) I think mentally and in terms of leadership, this guy will knock it out of the park at the combine. This guy knows real adversity. This past year he played ball and kept his head in the game even though his mother was battling cancer. 2) He doesn't fold during big games. He is only the second college QB in history to win four straight bowl games. 3) He played in a pro-style offense while at FSU. 4) He has the measurables to be a truly franchise QB-- he can both pass and run (if needed) giving our O an added dimension we hadn't had in the past. 5) He isn't afraid of competition; he went to the senior bowl and wound up MVP. 6) The guy is tough as nails; he played with a broken leg during the 2011 Champs Sports Bowl Game in a Victory over Notre Dame.

Yeah, he has quite a few negatives, and a lot of you just flat out hate him--but given Dorsey's comments about how impressed he was with Russell Wilson's interview last year--I think Manuel will give a similar impression of his leadership and maturity to coaches this year.

Reid isn't afraid to take a QB that others rate lower than the consensus; McNabb was the 4th rated QB in his class when Andy drafted him.

While at this point I'd still rather have Geno, I'm prepping myself to like Manuel as I think he has a chnace to be the dark horse pick by the Chiefs. (And no, he won't be there in the second round; I think the senior bowl and the combine will really elevate his stock.)
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:12 AM   #31
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I have never heard of E.J. Manuel being a "choke artist." what are you basing your claim on?
The NC State Game which "Glennon looked like a top 10 pick". Manuel gave that game away.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:13 AM   #32
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I have never heard of E.J. Manuel being a "choke artist." what are you basing your claim on?
They lost to NC State and Florida?
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:17 AM   #33
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I wish the best for the kid, but he's got a ways to go and his footwork looks bad to my untrained eye, he looks like a project, and you don't take those 1 overall
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:17 AM   #34
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I haven't watched nearly any of Manuel but I do recall being more impressed with FSU's backup last year when they played Oklahoma. Other than that, I really haven't watched nearly enough to make an adequate opinion.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:19 AM   #35
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I'm down for Nassib or Wilson at 34 if we go that route. They are gonna be good QB's.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:21 AM   #36
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No way in hell. That guy is a two year project at minimum.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:22 AM   #37
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He isnt going to jump up that high.
I agree, but I'm beginning to warm up to the idea of him in the 2nd, if we don't go QB in the 1st. He outclassed all the other QBs in the Senior bowl and his stats are very respectable compared to the top of the QB group:
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:27 AM   #38
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RunKC has the sight that breaks down his year.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:32 AM   #39
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RunKC has the sight that breaks down his year.
Is it this one?

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/2/...rics-breakdown
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:38 AM   #40
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Hell, he would most likely be there in the second round. Why would you waste the #1 pick on him?
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secondroundstats.com is pretty cool. Not sure if it has a point to it yet though. But definitely informative.
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Yeah. Shows he's not a good deep ball guy and his intermediate high accuracy is a mirage.

Guy needs way too much work to be the first overall pick.
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Hell, he would most likely be there in the second round. Why would you waste the #1 pick on him?
If he's Reid's and Dorsey's guy you take him; you don't hope he is there later. I think that has been said about every QB in this draft....
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Yeah. Shows he's not a good deep ball guy and his intermediate high accuracy is a mirage.

Guy needs way too much work to be the first overall pick.
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Like Nassib, EJ statistically grades out as one of the better QBs in the draft. This of course is why we use statistics to complement film study, but like Nassib it gives me a little pause. Even given that his receivers clearly gave him a lot of help, he still comes out with some of the best completion percentages among the zones. There really aren’t any huge red flags on Manuel statistically. We can worry a little bit about the fact that his deep ball is around 42%, but Tannehill’s last year graded out at 33%.

It’s interesting that thus far, the ‘top tier’ QBs are the ones that have come out with more statistical red flags than either Nassib or Manuel. For instance: Glennon has a huge amount of overthrows, Smith throws into double coverage a lot, and Wilson underthrows the ball often. However, we look at Manuel and don’t see anything that is truly concerning. This doesn’t make him the top pick by any means, but we have to then go to the tape to find what’s causing his draft stock to be lower.
You might be coming away with something different than what the author was saying....
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You have to look at the number of attempts in each zone. He had a high percentage in certain zones, because he dind't throw it there as much. When he did, yes he completed it, but it makes for less chances for in completions.
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