The Official "Lost" the series discussion

[Deberg_1990]

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

How so?

He said that was why the movie was unrealistic. I asked a simple question based on his premise and he refused to give an answer. Obviously, the film couldn't be unrealistic if it is realistic to think intelligent people make mistakes.

No one was knocking him because he disliked the film. They knocked him because he said it was unrealistic and the reason he gave for it. I don't see how the question was pointless. And it certainly wasn't insulting.

I think people are reading your question as asking Dane [the intelligent person] if it's possible for him to make a mistake. It's a little ambiguous.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I think people are reading your question as asking Dane [the intelligent person] if it's possible for him to make a mistake. It's a little ambiguous.

Hmm, I hadn't thought of it that way. I definitely intended it to be anyone in general. Because that was his premise (Juno was unrealistic because an intelligent girl would have used birth control)....

[KcMizzou]

C'mon... Nobody really gets "Lost". That's part of the charm (and frustration).

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No offense but have you been WATCHING the show? At all?

Three words for you: Time travel.

I'll give you the answer right now:

The island is an Axis Mundi.

It's a portal that exists between Earth and "Heaven". Time has no meaning there. People can't get pregnant and create "new life" there. It's a gateway. And there's two opposing forces trying to control it: Ben's organization and Widmore's organization.

So there you go.
These comments are from February

As to the merits

Originally Posted by Kristen of E!

I took the purgatory Q to the one and only Damon Lindelof (who is still da bomb in my book, in case you were wondering), and he shot back the following:

The following two facts are true. I swear it.
A. They're not in purgatory.
B. They're not dead.
If we did such a thing after repeatedly stating otherwise, we'd be tarred and feathered!

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

Hmm, I hadn't thought of it that way. I definitely intended it to be anyone in general. Because that was his premise (Juno was unrealistic because an intelligent girl would have used birth control)....

Intelligent people make mistakes, too...

As for Juno, that was maybe my favorite movie last year, as odd as that probably sounds coming from me.

[KcMizzou]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Intelligent people make mistakes, too...

As for Juno, that was maybe my favorite movie last year, as odd as that probably sounds coming from me.

Don't feel bad. I watched it twice in back to back nights.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Intelligent people make mistakes, too...

As for Juno, that was maybe my favorite movie last year, as odd as that probably sounds coming from me.

That was my point. Therefore, it really isn't unrealistic in the sense that Dane wanted to be or thought it was.

And yeah, it was my movie of the year shortly before Ebert declared it his.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

As to the merits

Thanks for the concrete interview. I thought they had ruled it out already.

[keg in kc]

An Axis Mundi and 'purgatory' are mutually-exclusive concepts.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Dude, you know I'm not one to just pile on. But you're the one who insulted everyone who didn't jizz themselves over your pet theory as not understanding the show, on the same day that you offered up an assinine and out of touch assessment of a rightly enjoyed movie. And you work in H'wood, ostensibly having a hand in what we get to see.

That merits some comment.

In short, is there a possibility, however slight, that you just didn't understand Juno, or that people who DO understand Lost might STILL have valid reason to disagree with your theory?

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I've read other time-travel theories as well, it's just that I didn't think of them

Again, I apologize for my "choice of words". I really didn't think they'd create such a fervor.

It was just an off-the-cuff remark made late at night.

As far as "Juno" is concerned, I never said it sucked, I never said it was a bad movie nor did I disparage anyone who enjoyed it.

All I said is that the movie seemed unrealistic to ME and that it didn't work for ME. Oh, and I "got it", I just didn't like it or buy it.

Furthermore, I sent a very detailed PM to IrishPeckerHead explaining exactly why I didn't like this movie. But that wasn't good enough. Irish PeckerHead continued to lob his softball question at me, time and time again, to bait me into answering so that he could say "Aha!".

Sorry, I don't play that game.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

An Axis Mundi and 'purgatory' are mutually-exclusive concepts.

Yeah but doesn't being dead negate Axis Mundi?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by irishjayhawk

Yeah but doesn't being dead negate Axis Mundi?

I don't think being dead is a requisite with regards to the concept of an Axis Mundi, but I'm not exactly an authority.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

As far as "Juno" is concerned, I never said it sucked, I never said it was a bad movie nor did I disparage anyone who enjoyed it.

All I said is that the movie seemed unrealistic to ME and that it didn't work for ME. Oh, and I "got it", I just didn't like it.

Furthermore, I sent a very detailed PM to IrishPeckerHead explaining exactly why I didn't like this movie. But that wasn't good enough. Irish PeckerHead continued to lob his softball question at me, time and time again to bait me into answering so that he could say "Aha!".

Sorry, I don't play that game.

Actually, you sent me the exact same things you posted in the thread. That's why I kept asking my simple question. But I digress.

As for your second reply, all I can say is thanks for the apology, even if it is really more of an excuse. I'm done.

Back to LOST.

I just don't see how they could pull anything like a portal between heaven and earth or heaven and hell because it's been guessed and they seem to categorically dismiss it. None of them are dead, it says. I'm pretty sure that to be in limbo/purgatory/Axis Mundi one has to be dead.

[keg in kc]

I think you're going a little out of context with axis mundi. It can be a secular concept rather than a religious one, so 'heaven and hell' doesn't have to come into it. Don't think of it like limbo or purgatory.

If you can forgive the blatant use of wikipedia:

The axis mundi (also cosmic axis, world axis, world pillar and center of the world) is a ubiquitous symbol that crosses human cultures. The image expresses a point of connection between sky and earth where the four compass directions meet. At this point travel and correspondence is made between higher and lower realms. Communication from lower realms may ascend to higher ones and blessings from higher realms may descend to lower ones and be disseminated to all. The spot functions as the omphalos (navel), the world's point of beginning.

The island may not be (and probably is not) an axis mundi, but it's an interesting idea to contemplate.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't think being dead is a requisite with regards to the concept of an Axis Mundi, but I'm not exactly an authority.

It appears you are correct. However, I'm not sure what an Axis Mundi has anything to do with the rest of Dane's theory. As far as I can tell, an Axis Mundi doesn't have to be fought for control of, so it seems like a force fit to declare the island an Axis Mundi at this point in time.

[irishjayhawk]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think you're going a little out of context with axis mundi. It can be a secular concept rather than a religious one, so 'heaven and hell' doesn't have to come into it. Don't think of it like limbo or purgatory.

If you can forgive the blatant use of wikipedia:The island may not be (and probably is not) an axis mundi, but it's an interesting idea to contemplate.

Jinx. 1 2 3...10. You owe me a coke.