Herm Edwards: "We play to LOSE the game." - Page 3

JohnnyV13 · 09-17-2006, 05:19 PM

God, I hate Herm Edwards.

He got exactly the kind of team he wanted and they suck. I think the season is over.

Pathetic.

**Iowanian** · 09-17-2006, 06:26 PM

I too think the Chiefs played scared-conservative at the end. I think they put together a game plan that allowed the Defense to be successful, and protect Huard...who is not a good QB.

The one thing I tire of is the excuses for the QBs....Backups and rookies all across this league, in offenses the same time or less as ours, play all the time.

If Huard were capable, they'd have been throwing the ball. I don't think he can throw an out, I don't think he's got the arm for a deep seem. They don't trust him, or the Oline, and thats why they did what they did.

2 turnovers lost this game.

JohnnyV13 · 09-17-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

What's the story on that? What did Huard do wrong? I thought the play was late coming in.

Honest questions.

Actually, Huard should have taken the 5 yard penalty. Five yards wouldn't hurt a close field goal attempt and wouldn't make a lot of difference for a TD shot, but it would have saved the time out so the play could be run without losing a field goal attempt.

But, its an understandable mistake. Hard to make that strategic assessment under time pressure when the usual correct play is to call the TO.

chief2000 · 09-17-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This is why I love this place after a loss like this. I read stupid shit like this and feel better almost instantaneously.

Like I said before, you wouldn't even have the ammo to have this pathetic discussion if we'd lost 45-24 like Dicky V and Jesus Saunders always did...

I will take Vermeils offense with him having no personal power. And Herm as D coordinator.

Welcome to 8-8 football. Maybe squeak into a playoff game and lose 10-13 at home.

JUST LIKE THAT INCREDIBLE COACH MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER.

What a fugging winner that guy was!

We should have hired a Parcells assistant. Not a Marty assistant.

Ugly Duck · 09-17-2006, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Say what you want, but Herm's playcalling at the end of the half and the 4th cost us that game. No one can be stupid enough to dispute that.

NFL.com is:

"Kansas City (0-2) lost despite an impeccable game plan"

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20060917_KC@DEN

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-17-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

NFL.com is:

"Kansas City (0-2) lost despite an impeccable game plan"

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20060917_KC@DEN

That is preposterous. I could have been Denver's D coordinator in the 2nd half and achieved the same results.

htismaqe · 09-17-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We should have won that game 20-9, dumb ass. Any semblance of offensive nuts would have gotten us looks and time on PA with seven guys blocking for Huard. I know you like to defend this buffoon, but if you are going to do so, you might take a stab at actually refuting a counterargument instead of acting like your shit doesn't stink.

I'm not defending Herm, I'm REFUTING STUPIDITY.

We were playing AT DENVER. With a backup QB who hadn't played meaningful snaps in 5 years. With an offensive line that gave up 7 sacks the week before AT HOME.

Like I said, the scintillating brilliance in this place is almost blinding...

htismaqe · 09-17-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chief2000

I will take Vermeils offense with him having no personal power. And Herm as D coordinator.

Welcome to 8-8 football. Maybe squeak into a playoff game and lose 10-13 at home.

JUST LIKE THAT INCREDIBLE COACH MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER.

What a fugging winner that guy was!

We should have hired a Parcells assistant. Not a Marty assistant.

Terribilis · 09-17-2006, 06:41 PM

I just dont understand how you could go through an ENTIRE game without taking more then 1 or 2 shots downfield.... utilizing a strong running game, and protecting your QB is great and all, but you do it to set up playaction and hit a home run. We never attempted to stretch them out, and frankly never let Huard (who succeeded at everything asked from him) have the oppurtunity to win. IMO we lost a golden oppurtunity to win a critical divisional game by being afraid to go for the kill shot.

**Rausch** · 09-17-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

F*** you. I've been to more Chiefs games than you've seen in your life. That's frankly a realistic assessment.

Yet you remain clueless. Odd...

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

But, by that time we are likely to be in too deep a hole to do any more than frustrate us.

If both our B/U QB and LJ quit averaging a fumble a game we have a winning record when Green comes back. That's all that's got to change.

Turnovers are killing us.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyV13

And...btw...i spent my childhood til my early twenties fighting in national level judo tournaments. If that makes me a french warrior, I've also won more tournmants than you have IQ points.

You haven't been in as many tournaments as I have IQ points.

You can be Bruce Lee's ****ing love child for all I care, it makes your opinions on the subject no less reeruned...

**Rausch** · 09-17-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not defending Herm, I'm REFUTING STUPIDITY.

We were playing AT DENVER. With a backup QB who hadn't played meaningful snaps in 5 years. With an offensive line that gave up 7 sacks the week before AT HOME.

Like I said, the scintillating brilliance in this place is almost blinding...

I'm with you.

Let's forget the fact that Herm's new defense was just balls out ****ing uncanny. It's a night and day difference.

If we can quit turning the ball over this defense IS good enough to carry the team much like the Steelers did last year...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-17-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not defending Herm, I'm REFUTING STUPIDITY.

We were playing AT DENVER. With a backup QB who hadn't played meaningful snaps in 5 years. With an offensive line that gave up 7 sacks the week before AT HOME.

Like I said, the scintillating brilliance in this place is almost blinding...

You haven't said anything other than paraphrasing the brilliance of Herm's gameplan when it's flaws were readily obvious to every Joe Schmo sitting on his couch watching the goddamned game at home. You want some scintillating brilliance, here's one: football is based in large part on deception. Had we been smart enough to use this just a few...just a FEW!!! times on first or second down, we would have ripped up big chunks of yards, giving us more scoring opportunities, and also making his original gameplan more effective. I fail to see how you can't see such a clear alternative to this shit.

**grandllama** · 09-17-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Yet you remain clueless. Odd...

and you remain delusional Brad if you think that we have lost these games because of LJ or Huard.

We have lost them because of that idiot Carl hired to be the head coach. period.

New Yorker · 09-17-2006, 06:48 PM

I feel for you Chiefs Fans. This is just the beginning of your misery. Herm sucks. No question there. He plays to not lose the game and always does. Your front office wanted him, and now you have him. You`ll win a game or 3, but it won`t get much better from here on out. Been through the Herm era and it isn`t what one would think. He doesn`t do anything but make "motivating" speeches to the team. Money is the big motivator to players, not Herm. He doesn`t coach the D, doesn`t coach the O, doesn`t coach the ST and doesn`t even manage the clock. He`s a puppet with deep pockets and Kansas City is filling those pockets.

Good luck with your season though. I know whats in store for KC and it will not be fun. Cheers from New Jersey.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-17-2006, 06:49 PM

Any one of us could have gotten that team to overtime today with the way our d played. Everyone here knows that we can't run the Coryell deep drops with Huard and our O-line, all we are asking for is just a little PA to give LJ more breathing room.

If Herm was on Celebrity Jeopardy and had 12,000 and his opponents had 7,000, he'd wager nothing, just hoping that they would screw up enough to win.

KCTitus · 09-17-2006, 06:50 PM

A couple of thoughts I had about the game...first, this team didnt lay down like the previous teams did in Denver. Just embarrassing how badly the teams of yesterday just didnt bother to show up.

I would have liked to see a couple more play action passes...the ONE that they did, worked very well with Kennison being wide open. I was a bit disappointed that they stuck with the short slant type stuff and the last one to Tony was just a bad pass.

They ran no screens in the game, but did find it interesting that KC ran more bootlegs than Denver did.

I thought the OL did pretty well in the first half. Huard had time. When Denver figured out the 3 page offensive playbook, they started to get pressure.

09-17-2006, 05:19 PM
JohnnyV13 Veteran Join Date: May 2003 Location: Tucson AZ Casino cash: $6175200	Herm Edwards: "We play to LOSE the game." God, I hate Herm Edwards. He got exactly the kind of team he wanted and they suck. I think the season is over. Pathetic.
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09-17-2006, 06:26 PM	#31
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4798454	I too think the Chiefs played scared-conservative at the end. I think they put together a game plan that allowed the Defense to be successful, and protect Huard...who is not a good QB. The one thing I tire of is the excuses for the QBs....Backups and rookies all across this league, in offenses the same time or less as ours, play all the time. If Huard were capable, they'd have been throwing the ball. I don't think he can throw an out, I don't think he's got the arm for a deep seem. They don't trust him, or the Oline, and thats why they did what they did. 2 turnovers lost this game.
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09-17-2006, 06:41 PM	#38
Terribilis Omaha Omaha Omaha Omaha Omaha Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Omaha Omaha Omaha Omaha Casino cash: $9589902	I just dont understand how you could go through an ENTIRE game without taking more then 1 or 2 shots downfield.... utilizing a strong running game, and protecting your QB is great and all, but you do it to set up playaction and hit a home run. We never attempted to stretch them out, and frankly never let Huard (who succeeded at everything asked from him) have the oppurtunity to win. IMO we lost a golden oppurtunity to win a critical divisional game by being afraid to go for the kill shot.
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09-17-2006, 06:48 PM	#43
New Yorker Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New York Casino cash: $10004900	I feel for you Chiefs Fans. This is just the beginning of your misery. Herm sucks. No question there. He plays to not lose the game and always does. Your front office wanted him, and now you have him. You`ll win a game or 3, but it won`t get much better from here on out. Been through the Herm era and it isn`t what one would think. He doesn`t do anything but make "motivating" speeches to the team. Money is the big motivator to players, not Herm. He doesn`t coach the D, doesn`t coach the O, doesn`t coach the ST and doesn`t even manage the clock. He`s a puppet with deep pockets and Kansas City is filling those pockets. Good luck with your season though. I know whats in store for KC and it will not be fun. Cheers from New Jersey.
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09-17-2006, 06:49 PM	#44
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Any one of us could have gotten that team to overtime today with the way our d played. Everyone here knows that we can't run the Coryell deep drops with Huard and our O-line, all we are asking for is just a little PA to give LJ more breathing room. If Herm was on Celebrity Jeopardy and had 12,000 and his opponents had 7,000, he'd wager nothing, just hoping that they would screw up enough to win. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-17-2006, 06:50 PM	#45
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9902732	A couple of thoughts I had about the game...first, this team didnt lay down like the previous teams did in Denver. Just embarrassing how badly the teams of yesterday just didnt bother to show up. I would have liked to see a couple more play action passes...the ONE that they did, worked very well with Kennison being wide open. I was a bit disappointed that they stuck with the short slant type stuff and the last one to Tony was just a bad pass. They ran no screens in the game, but did find it interesting that KC ran more bootlegs than Denver did. I thought the OL did pretty well in the first half. Huard had time. When Denver figured out the 3 page offensive playbook, they started to get pressure. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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