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Old 01-05-2006, 11:56 PM  
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Cuba Paid Oswald to Kill Kennedy, New Film Says

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Cuba Paid Oswald to Kill Kennedy, New Film Says

By Mark Trevelyan, Reuters

BERLIN (Jan. 4) - Cuba lay behind the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Lee Harvey Oswald and its agents provided the gunman with money and support, an award-winning German director says in a new documentary film.

Wilfried Huismann spent three years researching "Rendezvous with Death," based on interviews with former Cuban secret agents, U.S. officials and a Russian intelligence source, and on research in Mexican security archives.

The film, shown to journalists in Berlin on Wednesday, says Oswald traveled to Mexico City by bus in September 1963, seven weeks before the Kennedy shooting, and met agents at the Cuban embassy there who paid him $6,500.

Oscar Marino, a former Cuban agent and a key source for the documentary, told Huismann that Oswald himself had volunteered for the assassination mission and Havana had exploited him.

"Oswald was a dissident. He hated his country...Oswald offered to kill Kennedy," Marino said in the film.

"He was so full of hate, he had the idea. We used him...He was a tool."


He said he knew with certainty that the assassination was an operation of the Cuban secret service G-2, but would not say if it was ordered by President Fidel Castro.

Oswald was shot dead by Jack Ruby two days after killing Kennedy in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963.

The film argues Cuba wanted to eliminate Kennedy as the chief enemy of its Communist revolution, and portrays him and Castro as dueling opponents each trying to assassinate the other first.

Former CIA official Sam Halpern told Huismann: "He (Castro) beat us. He bested us. He came out on top, and we lost."

FBI PROBE ABORTED

Laurence Keenan, an officer of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) who was sent to Mexico City immediately after Kennedy's death to investigate a possible Cuban connection, said he was recalled after just three days and the probe was aborted.

"This was perhaps the worst investigation the FBI was ever involved in," Keenan said. "I realized that I was used. I felt ashamed. We missed a moment in history."

Keenan, 81, said he was convinced Kennedy's successor, Lyndon Johnson, blocked further investigation because proof of a Cuban link would put him under irresistible pressure to invade the island, a year after the Cuban missile crisis had brought the United States and Soviet Union to the brink of nuclear war.

"Most likely there would have been an invasion of Cuba which could have had unknown consequences for the whole world," he told journalists at the screening, saying that was why Johnson preferred to accept Oswald was "a crazed lone Marxist assassin."

Interviewed for the film, Alexander Haig, then a U.S. military adviser and later secretary of state, quoted Johnson as saying "we simply must not allow the American people to believe that Fidel Castro could have killed our president."

"And the reason was that there would be a right-wing uprising in America, which would keep the Democratic party out of power for two generations," Haig said.


He added that Robert F. Kennedy, brother of the assassinated president and attorney general in his administration, had personally ordered eight attempts on the life of Castro, who is still in power to this day.

Cuban and Russian sources interviewed in the film say the KGB alerted the Cubans to Oswald in mid-1962 after he left the Soviet Union, where he had lived for three years, and returned to the United States with his Soviet wife and their daughter.

Cuban intelligence first made contact with Oswald in November 1962, according to the film.

Huismann also unearthed a U.S. intelligence report shown to Johnson which said Cuban secret service chief Fabian Escalante flew via Mexico City to Dallas on the day of Kennedy's assassination, and back again the same day.

Tracked down by the film maker, Escalante denied he had been in Dallas and evaded questions about Cuba's alleged role. "What is truth, what are lies?" he said, smiling.


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Old 07-08-2013, 10:29 PM   #61
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The difference between hawks and doves is that the hawks actually have a clue as to when force is proper and are willing to use it to serve a legitimate end. The doves simply need the proper meaningless symbolism to get behind it. The fact that you'd have guaranteed the death of hundreds of thousands of American citizens on some poorly thought out vendetta drive further demonstrates that fact.[/QUOTE]



Hawks know when to use force. Great examples Iraq, The Vietnam war, etc. Yup thousands of Americans weren't killed on 9-11 because of hawkish policies in the middle east.

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Old 07-08-2013, 10:30 PM   #62
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Oh yeah and going to war to defend the murder of a sitting commandor and chief is meaningless symbolism.

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It's difficult. Do you risk worldwide nuclear war, the deaths of millions, and possibly our extinction for vengeance?

Personally, despite how much vengeance might satisfy my immediate needs, I think it is both arrogant and reckless to risk the destruction of the entire planet for one man.
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Hawks know when to use force. Great examples Iraq, The Vietnam war, etc. Yup thousands of Americans weren't killed on 9-11 because of hawkish policies in the middle east.
They weren't, half-wit.

Get down to brass-tacks and the 9-11 attacks are more closely related to our continued support of Israel than anything else. The current relationship with the middle-east, including the Iraq invasion, was as a consequence of 9-11, not a cause.

Or are you going to try to tie the 9-11 attacks to the first Persian Gulf conflict? Do you really believe we should've sat idly by during the first gulf war when Hussein invaded a sovereign nation and ally?

As for Vietnam, care to take a look at ideologies leading the nation during the period of initial involvement and further escalation? Pay no attention to Democrats holding the Senate for 20 years and the House for damn near 40 starting in the mid 1950s. Oh yeah, and the fact that Kennedy and Johnson are the guys that put us in the middle of it.

Or are the Democrats a bunch of hawks as well?

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Oh yeah and going to war to defend the murder of a sitting commandor and chief is meaningless symbolism.
He's just a man. Our entire system of governance is built around the central premise that the President isn't an emperor, isn't a King and isn't given any kind of divine right - he's just a man.

I know you fellas love treating them like they're deities (provided there's a D after their names) but that's simply not the case. They're the chief Administrator of our nation's laws and the man that has final say over our armed forces (and ultimately very little know-how in how to implement any of said decisions).

Getting your dander up and risking a global war over the death of a single man, someone that won't be in charge of anything within the next 8 years, is asinine.
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'Get down to brass-tacks and the 9-11 attacks are more closely related to our continued support of Israel than anything else. The current relationship with the middle-east, including the Iraq invasion, was as a consequence of 9-11, not a cause."


It was in response to putting troops in the holy land. It was also your beloved hawks who are so intellectually superior they thought it was a great idea to arm and train OBL and other Muslim radicals


"Or are you going to try to tie the 9-11 attacks to the first Persian Gulf conflict? Do you really believe we should've sat idly by during the first gulf war when Hussein invaded a sovereign nation and ally? "

Invaded a sovereign nation and used weapons we gave him. Another great idea from your wing of the party.

"As for Vietnam, care to take a look at ideologies leading the nation during the period of initial involvement and further escalation? Pay no attention to Democrats holding the Senate for 20 years and the House for damn near 40 starting in the mid 1950s. Oh yeah, and the fact that Kennedy and Johnson are the guys that put us in the middle of it.

Or are the Democrats a bunch of hawks as well?"

Yes there's a large portion of Democrats that are hawks. Republicans used to get elected to end wars.



"He's just a man. Our entire system of governance is built around the central premise that the President isn't an emperor, isn't a King and isn't given any kind of divine right - he's just a man.

I know you fellas love treating them like they're deities (provided there's a D after their names) but that's simply not the case. They're the chief Administrator of our nation's laws and the man that has final say over our armed forces (and ultimately very little know-how in how to implement any of said decisions).

Getting your dander up and risking a global war over the death of a single man, someone that won't be in charge of anything within the next 8 years, is asinine."

I think you have me confused. I'm not a democrat. Life long Republican. Paleo-conservative to be exact.

The murder of a president is an act of war. We had already got involved with Cuba once and fought many proxy wars against the soviets.
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The murder of a president is an act of war. We had already got involved with Cuba once and fought many proxy wars against the soviets.
You'd have been A-Okay with a full-scale global war on account of the death of a single man?

Even the historians that know full well that WWI wasn't really just about the death of an Austrian Arch-Duke know that Ferdinand's assassination likely touched it off and the resulting carnage and economic collapses throughout Europe were the key catalysis for WWII as well. Why? Because some pissed off, wrong-headed Austrian noblemen gave Serbia the middle finger instead of looking for a diplomatic resolution. Seriously, look up the 'apology' that Austria-Hungary demanded from Serbia; it was akin to a diplomatic invasion, if not an outright military one.

It's a very very easy leap to make from the Austria-Hungarian response to the death of a Prince to the atrocities of WWI and even WWII. WWII does not happen without WWI and the resulting outcomes.

But hey - kill a leader and to hell with the consequences; gotta go get your pound of flesh, right?

The parallels are actually pretty interesting when I think about them. Europe was something of a powder-keg looking for a catalyst. At the same time, so was USA/USSR, especially during the period of the Kennedy Assassination. Cooler heads prevailed and that catalyst never came. You can bet your ass that invading Cuba would've been just such a spark.

How different is the world today if Austria-Hungary makes a similar decision? I think an extremely compelling argument could be made that we'd be looking at a vastly different history of the 20th century.
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