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Amnorix · 03-19-2014, 03:55 PM

The Patriots submitted four rules proposals for discussion at next week's NFL owners' meetings.

1. Goal posts extended an additional 5 feet above the cross bar. "The reasoning of this proposal is that definitive rulings cannot be made on many field goal tries that cross over the top of the goal post."

2. Make the extra point more challenging by making the line of scrimmage the 25-yard line. "In order to make the point after a more competitive play."

3. Place fixed cameras on all boundary lines -- sideline, end line, end zone. "To supplement the TV cameras and to guarantee coverage of those lines for replay, no matter where the TV cameras are located."

4. Coaches can challenge any officials' decision other than scoring plays. "To make more extensive use of the replay system."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-...rule-proposals

Discuss.

WhiteWhale · 03-19-2014, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

We ran them for flag. you have to learn them and how to defend them. They are all pick plays. Just well disguised.

They are not all ILLEGAL pick plays though.

Amnorix · 03-26-2014, 08:37 AM

Proposal to increase height of goal posts by 5 feet has passed.

Amnorix · 03-26-2014, 08:38 AM

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ORLANDO -- Bill Belichick doesn’t do much to veil his loathing for bureaucratic BS.

Breakfast interviews and smiling pictures with all the fellas who are trying to beat your football team are the very definition of happy horsehockey he likes to avoid.

But at his core, he’s a guy who owes a lot to professional football and -- if he wants the game to be as good as it should be -- he has to play by the rules of the game. And this week, that meant going in front of the NFL’s Competition Committee to pitch his rules change proposals.

NFL.com shared his appeal for a tweak to the extra point.

His “Hey, haven’t you guys noticed that it’s a useless play?” tone oozes, and he works in a drive-by on legislation enacted to make trying to block kicks more difficult.

“I personally feel that we’ve also made it virtually illegal to block a kick,” Belichick intoned. “We can’t hit the center, we can’t overload, we can’t push, we can’t jump, we can’t land on anybody so it’s very, very difficult to competitively play the play.”

In the background, you can see Redskins president Bruce Allen reveling in Belichick’s toneless browbeating.

Enjoy.

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-t...itch-priceless

Video here:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...-extended-PATs

Love or hate BB, I thought just getting an inside look at how they conduct those meetings etc. was worth two minutes of time.

Molitoth · 03-26-2014, 09:15 AM

ALL great points. Nice job Pats.

Molitoth · 03-26-2014, 09:17 AM

How can people possibly say NO to #4?

How many times have the Chiefs been seriously burned by phantom PI calls?

Pass Interference rules ruin football.

Amnorix · 03-26-2014, 09:19 AM

Results of the four rule proposals:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A recap of how things fared with the Patriots' four rule proposals at the NFL annual meeting:

1. Goal posts extended an additional 5 feet above the cross bar. "The reasoning of this proposal is that definitive rulings cannot be made on many field goal tries that cross over the top of the goal post." -- PASSED

2. Make the extra point more challenging by making the line of scrimmage the 25-yard line. "In order to make the point after a more competitive play." -- TABLED (will be experimented with in preseason)

3. Place fixed cameras on all boundary lines -- sideline, end line, end zone. "To supplement the TV cameras and to guarantee coverage of those lines for replay, no matter where the TV cameras are located." -- TABLED

4. Coaches can challenge any officials' decision other than scoring plays. "To make more extensive use of the replay system." -- REJECTED

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...medium=twitter

Amnorix · 03-26-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

How can people possibly say NO to #4?

How many times have the Chiefs been seriously burned by phantom PI calls?

Pass Interference rules ruin football.

Remember that the rule regarding replay review won't change the pass interference rules, and that if it's not clear and indisputable, the call won't be overturned.

But it would make the call reviewable, along with everything else. Unfortunately rejected for now, but I suspect a few years down the road they will revisit this and eventually it will pass.

Amnorix · 03-26-2014, 09:22 AM

Not passing #3 seems really, really stupid. Why wouldn't you want a good angle to determine if the ball went over the goal line? Ridiculous.

htismaqe · 03-26-2014, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

How can people possibly say NO to #4?

How many times have the Chiefs been seriously burned by phantom PI calls?

Pass Interference rules ruin football.

Defensive PI being a spot foul is the #1 problem with pro football.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-26-2014, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Wouldn't the refs raise all hell on proposal #4?

I agree with #1 wholeheartedly though.

**** the refs.

IMO, the NFL needs full-time refs who make a base salary plus incentives. The incentives escalate the better job they do according to a arbitrator who reviews their performance. If they routinely **** up, or make egregious, game-altering errors, they need to be fired post-haste. Way too many excuses for officials' incompetence.

Amnorix · 03-26-2014, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Defensive PI being a spot foul is the #1 problem with pro football.

Agreed. I could go with greater of spot or 20 yards, which is more than any other foul, but having it just be a spot foul just sucks.

College is what, 15 yards regardless?

htismaqe · 03-26-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Agreed. I could go with greater of spot or 20 yards, which is more than any other foul, but having it just be a spot foul just sucks.

College is what, 15 yards regardless?

I believe college is spot or 15 yards, whichever is greater.

The way the NFL rules have it, the defensive PI penalty is actually an offensive TOOL. They know they can get it called so they run low-percentage plays designed specifically to draw it. That should NEVER happen.

Marco Polo · 03-26-2014, 09:39 AM

#4 would be fine if they use the same amount of challenges. For instance, what if an obvious pass interference call wasn't called? Currently that cannot be challenged but in this, it could.

htismaqe · 03-26-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Marco Polo

#4 would be fine if they use the same amount of challenges. For instance, what if an obvious pass interference call wasn't called? Currently that cannot be challenged but in this, it could.

Yeah, the proposal was to keep the number of challenges the way it is now but make all plays reviewable.

**alnorth** · 03-26-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

1. I don't have a problem with it, but with an official standing under each upright, I don't see why it's necessary. They should be able to make the call every time even when the ball is higher than the upright.

The problem is when the ball flies right over the post. That ball should have hit the upright, and there is no way to know if it would have deflected in or deflected out. This is also why some of those wacky ideas some people had (cameras on top pointing up, laser beams, etc) don't work, the ball should have hit the post.

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Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $3034969	ALL great points. Nice job Pats.
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Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $3034969	How can people possibly say NO to #4? How many times have the Chiefs been seriously burned by phantom PI calls? Pass Interference rules ruin football.
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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	Results of the four rule proposals: ORLANDO, Fla. -- A recap of how things fared with the Patriots' four rule proposals at the NFL annual meeting: 1. Goal posts extended an additional 5 feet above the cross bar. "The reasoning of this proposal is that definitive rulings cannot be made on many field goal tries that cross over the top of the goal post." -- PASSED 2. Make the extra point more challenging by making the line of scrimmage the 25-yard line. "In order to make the point after a more competitive play." -- TABLED (will be experimented with in preseason) 3. Place fixed cameras on all boundary lines -- sideline, end line, end zone. "To supplement the TV cameras and to guarantee coverage of those lines for replay, no matter where the TV cameras are located." -- TABLED 4. Coaches can challenge any officials' decision other than scoring plays. "To make more extensive use of the replay system." -- REJECTED http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...medium=twitter __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	Not passing #3 seems really, really stupid. Why wouldn't you want a good angle to determine if the ball went over the goal line? Ridiculous. __________________ "I love signature blocks on the Internet. I get to put whatever the hell I want in quotes, pick a pretend author, and bang, it's like he really said it." George Washington
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Marco Polo Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 41°59.4′N 87°39.6'W Casino cash: $5838908	#4 would be fine if they use the same amount of challenges. For instance, what if an obvious pass interference call wasn't called? Currently that cannot be challenged but in this, it could.
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