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Old 07-26-2010, 12:51 AM  
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Season 4 premiered tonight. I would have bumped the season three thread but I titled it "season 3," which no longer seems appropriate.

Who saw it? It was a stupendous hour of television. All sorts of shit has happened in the eleven months that have passed (in-story) between the formation of Sterling Cooper Draper Price and the beginning of season 4. The premeir was stepped in the juices of the sexual revolution. It also had a lot to say about the increasing role of the media in the success or failure of things. It was great to see Don fail a little bit, and it was exciting to consider the future implications at the end of Don crafting a public/media persona that is completely unlike his actual personality.
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Old 05-11-2015, 11:42 AM   #886
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I'd be happy if we don't see Don again. I mean, I KNOW we will. But it would be pretty ****ing ballsy and really cool if we didn't. Leave the biggest thread dangling and don't even include him in the finale. I'd ****ing LOVE that.

Won't happen, but....

I seem to be the only one dubious of Duck, and of Pete's "happy ending." While I do love the idea that if Mad Men is going to hand out happy endings, OF COURSE Pete ****ing Campbell gets one. Of course! I like that idea.

But I don't know. It seems... too good to be true? Maybe I'm over thinking it. But I don't trust that Duck. I'll be sitting pretty uneasy for a week.
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Old 05-11-2015, 12:04 PM   #887
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Maybe I'm over thinking it. But I don't trust that Duck. I'll be sitting pretty uneasy for a week.
If the LearJet offer wasn't real, Weiner would be betraying the viewer. That just seems out of place.

So far, Joan and Pete are receiving a "Happy Ending" and you might say that Roger has as well. Betty's ending isn't exactly happy but she is getting an ending exactly as she wants it.

Really, all that leaves is Don and Peggy. It's hard to imagine Peggy receiving a "happy ending" because her storyline would need to be quickly accelerated, which really didn't happen in 1971.

As for Don, maybe he continues on his journey and become Dick Whitman once again. He doesn't need money (although he'll have to go back to New York at some point, just to get his money, unless he just has it all wire-transferred, I suppose) or maybe he creates an entirely new identity.

Either way, I think we've seen the last of "Don Draper".
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Seems like don's going to have to be a real father in the second half of his life. Should be a happy thing for him but with this guy who knows.
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Old 05-11-2015, 12:36 PM   #889
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If the LearJet offer wasn't real, Weiner would be betraying the viewer. That just seems out of place.
How so?
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Old 05-11-2015, 12:45 PM   #890
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How so?
Because he's laid the groundwork all season long for Trudy & Pete to reunite, which happened in last night's episode. It would be poor story telling to say "Ha ha! Just kidding".

Plus, even if it was a ruse by Duck (which it's not), Pete still has his job at McCann, has a few million coming out the end of his contract in 4 years and he and Trudy would still be reunited. He's also met with the LearJet owner and Duck wouldn't gain a single thing if it were a lie.

There's no reason to introduce a plot device of this type with one episode left.
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Old 05-11-2015, 12:48 PM   #891
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Seems like don's going to have to be a real father in the second half of his life. Should be a happy thing for him but with this guy who knows.
I didn't get that from last night's episode, although it will be interesting to see Don's reaction to Betty's plight.

I've braced myself for a "Time Jump" but I just hope it's not a cheap ending, like an 85 year old Don telling this story to his children and grandchildren at Christmas or worse yet, from his death bed.
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Because he's laid the groundwork all season long for Trudy & Pete to reunite, which happened in last night's episode. It would be poor story telling to say "Ha ha! Just kidding".

Plus, even if it was a ruse by Duck (which it's not), Pete still has his job at McCann, has a few million coming out the end of his contract in 4 years and he and Trudy would still be reunited. He's also met with the LearJet owner and Duck wouldn't gain a single thing if it were a lie.

There's no reason to introduce a plot device of this type with one episode left.
I'm sure you're right. Like I said, I seem to be the only one fidgety about it. And it's not like I think anything WILL come of it. I'll be relieved if/when nothing does. I'm just nervous that something COULD.

And I certainly don't think pulling the rug out from under Pete would be poor storytelling. Obviously, it could be, but it wouldn't automatically be.

But, yeah, I'm sure I'm just antsy because it's a series finale and I've been trained that something ****ING HUGE has to happen in series finales.
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I didn't get that from last night's episode, although it will be interesting to see Don's reaction to Betty's plight.

I've braced myself for a "Time Jump" but I just hope it's not a cheap ending, like an 85 year old Don telling this story to his children and grandchildren at Christmas or worse yet, from his death bed.


That would be a much bigger betrayal, I think.
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That would be a much bigger betrayal, I think.
I do as well.

I don't want to see him in a mental ward or on his deathbed or anything like that at all. Personally, I'd rather have a resolution to each character, much like the end of American Graffiti, so there isn't rampant speculation for years on end as to what happens to each character.

There's only one character's fate that's sealed and after seven years of watching this program, that wouldn't be a satisfying finale for me.
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I'm sure you're right. Like I said, I seem to be the only one fidgety about it. And it's not like I think anything WILL come of it. I'll be relieved if/when nothing does. I'm just nervous that something COULD.
No offense to you personally but I believe that you have this nervousness or "fear" due to the many "twist" endings of programs in the past decade. Everyone is bracing themselves for something totally out of the blue that would happen, which in many cases, does a great disservice to the program and the audience.

But the bottom line for Pete is that he's set: He's got his family back and whether he ends up in Witchita or McCann, he's set for life.
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No offense to you personally but I believe that you have this nervousness or "fear" due to the many "twist" endings of programs in the past decade. Everyone is bracing themselves for something totally out of the blue that would happen, which in many cases, does a great disservice to the program and the audience.

But the bottom line for Pete is that he's set: He's got his family back and whether he ends up in Witchita or McCann, he's set for life.
No offence taken. If course I agree. That's why I said as much in my earlier post.

I'm looking forward to a finale that isn't cheap. Hopefully, Mad Men delivers.
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Jesus. I don't know. I kind of love Don's trajectory here. He actually revealed, truthfully, the tragedy of his "birth" as Don Draper. He returns to his roots. Maybe it's predictable or trite or whatever, but it's also cathartic.
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Jesus. I don't know. I kind of love Don's trajectory here. He actually revealed, truthfully, the tragedy of his "birth" as Don Draper. He returns to his roots. Maybe it's predictable or trite or whatever, but it's also cathartic.
Oh, I agree. But he can't go back to Dick Whitman and he appears to be shedding Don Draper, so who will he invent himself as next?

Maybe that's the final scene.
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I've been skipping around the seasons that are on Netflix...

and I think Don and Megan could have worked out. 50% of everything blowing up with her was Don's philandering, that's undeniable. But I don't think the philandering comes in to play if he moved to California instead of Ted.
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The final scene should be: Don in the doctor's office.

Don: "So, how am I?"

Doc: "Do you want the good news or the bad news?"

Don: "Good news first?"

Doc: "Physically, you're in perfect health. Low cholesterol, blood pressure good, liver surprisingly stout."

A beat. Don cocks an eyebrow.

Doc sighs and removes his glasses. Looks Don in the eye.

Doc: "Mr Draper.....you have AIDS."

FIN
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