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Old 06-07-2007, 12:37 PM  
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Player Name: Mike Moustakas
Position: Shortstop/Third baseman
School: Chatsworth HS, Chatsworth, Calif.
School Type: High school
Academic Class: Senior
Birthdate: 06/10/85
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 195 lbs.
Bats: Left
Throws: Right
Report Date(s): 03/22/07
Game(s): Granada Hills
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Hitting Ability: Moustakas can flat-out hit and has potential to hit for average and power.
Power: He's a left-handed hitter with serious power. He homered three times in this game.
Running Speed: Moustakas is a below-average runner.
Arm Strength: Moustakas has an above-average cannon for an arm.
Fielding: He plays shortstop for his high school team, with fellow draft prospect Matt Dominguez at third, but Moustakas profiles as a third baseman in the future. He's not bad around the bag at short currently.
Range: Moustakas has limited range, a reason why he'll probably move to third as a pro.
Physical Description: Moustakas, a one-time catcher, has cleaned up his body quite a bit and is more athletic than he's been in the past as a power-hitting lefty.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: His bat and his arm strength.
Weaknesses: His defensive range.
Summary: While Matt Dominguez gets most of the publicity at Chatsworth HS, Moustakas -- a former Team USA member -- has been just as hot. He made teams pay when they tried to pitch around Dominguez. Both have the chance to be special hitters.

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Old 06-07-2007, 02:08 PM   #31
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Drafting high school players always is risky... but hitters are a slightly better bet than pitchers (remember Colt Griffin). With the way this draft broke down, all of the top high school hitters were better options than any of the college pitchers or hitters (even Wieters).

I like this pick more than reaching for someone like Detwiler.
It comes down to being smart......the year the Royals took Grienke 5 high school pitchers went in the first after him......I believe they're all in the majors and better than him....

One of them is Cole Hamels, so that shows you what the Royals were doing.
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:14 PM   #32
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It comes down to being smart......the year the Royals took Grienke 5 high school pitchers went in the first after him......I believe they're all in the majors and better than him....

One of them is Cole Hamels, so that shows you what the Royals were doing.
Most high school pitchers that flop do so because of lack of development or injury... Greinke is a rare case - a head case.

There's no doubt he has the physical skill to be a very good big-league pitcher. It's a matter of his mental toughness, etc. Greinke was just as good in his first year as Hamels has been (albeit with lower K totals) in his first full season, if not better.

That class also was praised as the best high school pitching class in the history of the draft, if I'm remembering correctly.

I juts saw a Baseball America breakdown of draft pick success rates - high school pitchers were the lowest, following high school hitters, college pitchers, and college hitters.
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:15 PM   #33
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It comes down to being smart......the year the Royals took Grienke 5 high school pitchers went in the first after him......I believe they're all in the majors and better than him....

One of them is Cole Hamels, so that shows you what the Royals were doing.
it's funny--we tend to call the nfl draft a crapshoot, but it's NOTHING compared to the MLB draft--

how about this fun fact: albert pujols went in the THIRTEENTH ROUND in 1999... you think there are 401 players better than him in that draft? how come he didn't go first overall?? oh wait--IT'S A fuckING CRAPSHOOT

mike piazza--possibly the best hitting catcher of alltime... what round? round 62 of the 1988 draft--the last player the dodgers drafted in that year, and then basically ONLY AS A FAVOR OF TOMMY LASORDA

you can't just sit here and say 'the royals should've known better'--fuck, if the CHIEFS knew better, they'd have a guy starting at QB named tom brady

we can play pretend games all day, but when it's all said and done, none of us has ANY fucking clue how good these guys will be
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:16 PM   #34
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I agree what you said which is why I'm faulting the Royals........they should have atleast been able to figure out Grienke had some issues......

If you get players later like that, that's great but when you are picking top 10 you shouldn't blow your pick.....Minnesota has hit on numerous 1st rounders that's how they got back....mix some good trades in there and you have it.

Anymore most of the good players that go later are guys that were considered unlikely to sign that got picked in like the 8th round by a team with money that says "we'll give you this to sign" and the guy changes his mind.

The Angels got Brandon Wood like that.
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:21 PM   #35
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I agree what you said which is why I'm faulting the Royals........they should have atleast been able to figure out Grienke had some issues......
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:22 PM   #36
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that's just what I was saying though. baseball players tend to go bust much more than players in the nfl do-- you can HAVE a top ten pick, but who's to say he'll ever be worth a damn when 90% of players picked never amount to jack squat?
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:23 PM   #37
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Taking 5 minutes to talk to the guy could have told you he was a little weird........
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:25 PM   #38
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:26 PM   #39
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Mecca,

Everything I saw about Greinke before that draft complimented his mental makeup and counted that as one of his pluses (mature approach - understands how to pitch, etc).

And how do you look at a 17 or 18-year-old and predict how they'll handle big money/expectations/etc?

I'll try to find a link for you...
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So, what's the downside to Wieters?
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So, what's the downside to Wieters?
His signability.
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So, what's the downside to Wieters?
Some sources think Vitters and Moustakas have better upside as hitters, and Wieters' height makes him a tough fit at catcher (tall catchers struggle to release throws quickly enough to catch base stealers, and their height makes it tough for umps to call low strikes).

The money he's asking for could be a factor, too...
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it's funny--we tend to call the nfl draft a crapshoot, but it's NOTHING compared to the MLB draft--

how about this fun fact: albert pujols went in the THIRTEENTH ROUND in 1999... you think there are 401 players better than him in that draft? how come he didn't go first overall?? oh wait--IT'S A fuckING CRAPSHOOT

mike piazza--possibly the best hitting catcher of alltime... what round? round 62 of the 1988 draft--the last player the dodgers drafted in that year, and then basically ONLY AS A FAVOR OF TOMMY LASORDA

you can't just sit here and say 'the royals should've known better'--fuck, if the CHIEFS knew better, they'd have a guy starting at QB named tom brady

we can play pretend games all day, but when it's all said and done, none of us has ANY fucking clue how good these guys will be

Pujols wasn't even the best player at the time at Maple Woods when he was selected.. And the only reason why Fort Osage won with him was the pitching...

That said the draft is a crapshoot, just get tired when people act like he got passed up... He was an above average baseball player in college like 100's of others...
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Pujols wasn't even the best player at the time at Maple Woods when he was selected.. And the only reason why Fort Osage won with him was the pitching...

That said the draft is a crapshoot, just get tired when people act like he got passed up... He was an above average baseball player in college like 100's of others...
that's JUST the point I was making... guys come from out of nowhere and make all the 'paid professionals' look like total idiots

my point was it's worthless to decry who is picked in the MLB draft because it's even worse than a crapshoot: I'm almost totally convinced that a group of chimpanzees throwing darts at a dartboard would be more successful in the long run than a team that spends time and money scouting
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So, what's the downside to Wieters?
Boras told anyone who would listen that he's asking for 8-10 million and a major league contract, when recommended slot at #2 is $3.1M.
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