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Trump's claim that Obama wiretapped his campaign is false

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TRUMP'S CLAIM THAT OBAMA WIRETAPPED HIS CAMPAIGN IS FALSE: U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

BY NINA BURLEIGH ON 9/2/17 AT 12:49 PM

In a stunning filing last night, the Department of Justice stated in a court case that neither the FBI nor its National Security Division ever wiretapped Trump Tower, contradicting a bombshell claim President Trump made in a series of early morning tweets on March 4.

The document is the first time the Department of Justice has officially denied the substance of the Tweets. Former FBI Director James Comey had already denied that the FBI ever wiretapped Trump.

“Both FBI and NSD confirm that they have no records related to wiretaps as described by the March 4, 2017 tweets.” the filing states.


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Old 09-19-2017, 10:23 PM   #106
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The thread aged just fine. Trump claimed Obama wiretapped him. That was pure fiction.

Trump: Obama wiretapped me!
DOJ: It didn't happen.
DOJ: We did wiretap Paul Manafort because he was communicating with Russian operatives.
Trump: See, I was right! Obama wiretapped me!
Everyone who isn't a Trumptard:


It should not surprise anyone that these lot can never accept the truth. They are practically allergic to it.
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:27 PM   #107
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It should not surprise anyone that these lot can never accept the truth. They are practically allergic to it.
The last gasp Hail Mary at this point involves denying OBAMA HIMSELF did the spying.


I suppose if we find that out, well, ok then: it was legal godammit!
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:34 PM   #108
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The last gasp Hail Mary at this point involves denying OBAMA HIMSELF did the spying.


I suppose if we find that out, well, ok then: it was legal godammit!
Remember, Susan Rice denied even knowing anything about Trump campaign personnel being unmasked. Months later, she admitted to having unmasked them herself.
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:40 PM   #109
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Well, so long as they have no records related to the wiretaps as described. . .
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One doesn't need to believe that the DOJ is lying in their written statement to still find humor in the matter.
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Parsing language, so simple even a BobDole can do it!!

That's what I've been laughing about since the thread started.

Hey, DOJ. What's your input on this covert wiretapping allegation?

The records in our possession do not currently contain any materials germane to the facts as alleged.

I knew it, Trump's a dirty liar!!!
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:43 PM   #110
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:52 PM   #111
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Old 09-19-2017, 10:56 PM   #112
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:06 PM   #113
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This week CNN is reporting more details on the Obama Administration’s 2016 surveillance of people connected to the presidential campaign of the party out of power. It seems that once President Obama’s appointee to run the FBI, James Comey, had secured authorization for wiretapping, the bureau continued its surveillance into 2017. CNN reports:

US investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders before and after the election, sources tell CNN, an extraordinary step involving a high-ranking campaign official now at the center of the Russia meddling probe.

The government snooping continued into early this year, including a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump.

Some of the intelligence collected includes communications that sparked concerns among investigators that Manafort had encouraged the Russians to help with the campaign, according to three sources familiar with the investigation. Two of these sources, however, cautioned that the evidence is not conclusive.

This means the wiretapping was authorized more than ten months ago and perhaps more than a year ago. It was presumably a tough decision for a judge to issue a secret warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, enabling the administration to spy on someone connected with the presidential campaign of its political adversaries.

One would presumably only approve such an order if the request presented by the executive branch was highly compelling and likely to produce evidence that the subject of the wiretap was in fact working with Russia to disrupt U.S. elections. Roughly a year later, as the public still waits for such evidence, this column wonders how this judge is feeling now, especially now that CNN has reported that at least two of its three sources believe the resulting evidence is inconclusive.

One would also presume—or at least hope—that seeking to wiretap associates of the leader of the political opposition is not an everyday occurrence in any administration. At the very least, it seems highly unlikely that such a decision would be made by a mid-level official. CNN notes, “Such warrants require the approval of top Justice Department and FBI officials, and the FBI must provide the court with information showing suspicion that the subject of the warrant may be acting as an agent of a foreign power.”

It seems reasonable for the public to know exactly which officials made this decision and who else they consulted or informed of their surveillance plans. Was the President briefed on the details of this investigation?

And as for the information showing suspicion, where did the FBI come up with that? A September 7 column from the Journal’s Kim Strassel raises disturbing questions, based on recent events and a Washington Post story from last winter. Ms. Strassel writes:

The House Intelligence Committee’s investigation took a sharp and notable turn on Tuesday, as news broke that it had subpoenaed the FBI and the Justice Department for information relating to the infamous Trump “dossier.” That dossier, whose allegations appear to have been fabricated, was commissioned by the opposition-research firm Fusion GPS and then developed by a former British spook named Christopher Steele. ..

The Washington Post in February reported that Mr. Steele “was familiar” to the FBI, since he’d worked for the bureau before. The newspaper said Mr. Steele had reached out to a “friend” at the FBI about his Trump work as far back as July 2016. The Post even reported that Mr. Steele “reached an agreement with the FBI a few weeks before the election for the bureau to pay him to continue his work.”

Oddly, even though CNN is the source of this week’s news, the media outlet seems less interested in President Obama’s knowledge of the surveillance activities that occurred on his watch and against his political adversaries than in how President Trump has described them. CNN’s scoop doesn’t even mention Mr. Obama except in the context of Mr. Trump’s accusations of wiretapping against the former president that appeared on Twitter in March. CNN has followed up with another story saying that Mr. Trump’s accusations have still not been proven.

That’s true, although Mr. Trump’s argument may be getting stronger. And whatever Donald Trump’s tweets say, Americans deserve to know how our government came to spy on people associated with the presidential campaign of the party out of power.
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:08 PM   #114
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Old 09-19-2017, 11:17 PM   #115
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Old 09-20-2017, 06:27 AM   #117
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Obviously we know for certain the Obama administration was spying on the Trump campaign and Manafort in particular, and it seems likely they were spying on others legally by getting secret warrants, but it would not be shocking to anyone if there were illegal spying going on as well.

The ironic thing is that even if they were spying illegally, it wouldn't matter. Their appellation at people reacting to illegally obtained but true information - such as in the various Clinton and DNC scandals - would drop away instantly if anything embarrassing to Trump had been found. And they wouldn't care that they had to break a few eggs in the world of criminal law to do it. Some lackey making a plea bargain would indeed be a tidy bargain to them.

In that sense, I don't think anyone on the left cares whether or not they were spying or if they were spying illegally despite the dangerous precedent. And the danger of precedent to democracy is significant here. I think we have crossed the event horizon where about half the country is so deranged about Trump that they don't care what has to be done, legal or illegal, to try to bring him down. I don't think they'd care if the spying were done illegally. I don't think many would care if the information were totally fabricated, honestly.
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Old 09-20-2017, 06:37 AM   #118
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Obviously we know for certain the Obama administration was spying on the Trump campaign and Manafort in particular, and it seems likely they were spying on others legally by getting secret warrants, but it would not be shocking to anyone if there were illegal spying going on as well.

The ironic thing is that even if they were spying illegally, it wouldn't matter. Their appellation at people reacting to illegally obtained but true information - such as in the various Clinton and DNC scandals - would drop away instantly if anything embarrassing to Trump had been found. And they wouldn't care that they had to break a few eggs in the world of criminal law to do it. Some lackey making a plea bargain would indeed be a tidy bargain to them.

In that sense, I don't think anyone on the left cares whether or not they were spying or if they were spying illegally despite the dangerous precedent. And the danger of precedent to democracy is significant here. I think we have crossed the event horizon where about half the country is so deranged about Trump that they don't care what has to be done, legal or illegal, to try to bring him down. I don't think they'd care if the spying were done illegally. I don't think many would care if the information were totally fabricated, honestly.
I say we let it play out for a little while longer and, if it doesn't look like the people in power will end up in jail, reciprocate. In advance of the 2018 and 2020 elections the full force of our intelligence community should be brought to bear to learn about the skeletons in ever liberal's closet. You know, because turn about is fair play.

And without a doubt the Clintons, running or not, to include Chelsea, should be perma-bugged. Add Barry's family and friends to that list too. Given the disgusting nature of those two families, they need to live a life in a lighted fish bowl.
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