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Liberals... What exactly are you afraid of?

We've seen the supposedly calm-and-cool flower children of the left morph from self-proclaimed peace loving people to ravenous angry old wo/men now that Hillary lost. So far all we've heard are claims that Donald Trump is terrible and the worst person in the world.

We all know he grabbed the pussy of a woman who wasn't bothered by it enough to file against him; is that what's so bad that he'll end the world? He's rich?

What's he going to do, or undo, that's going to end the world? What progress has happened that's now going to be stopped or reversed/undone?

Can you please be more specific, what are you afraid of?

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What Democrats should actually fear are the two fat insurance torrents that Julian Assange has distributing around the world just waiting for a password to drop.
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Old 12-23-2016, 01:03 AM   #17
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You see, they fear Trump, so the fact that they fear him makes the fear real and rational, so the onus is on Trump and his supporters to assuage their fear...which is totally rational.
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You see, they fear Trump, so the fact that they fear him makes the fear real and rational, so the onus is on Trump and his supporters to assuage their fear...which is totally rational.
that's why gay's are freaking.


Although Donald Trump called himself a “supporter” of LGBTQ rights, his cabinet and senior staff will include some of the most anti-gay politicians in the country.

On one of the biggest decisions a president can make, the selection of a Supreme Court Justice, Trump suggested he might make same-sex marriage a litmus test for his choice. In January, he told Fox News he would “strongly consider” appointing Supreme Court justices who would overturn the 2015 decision allowing same-sex marriage. He’s also said he would appoint a justice like the late Antonin Scalia. Scalia, you may recall, wrote a blistering dissent against the same-sex marriage ruling, and has ruled against legalizing sodomy.

But, then, Trump says a lot of things he doesn’t remember saying. Many people in the know say that his views on many issues are all over the place, and he’s likely to follow the advice of the person he last talked to. So let’s consider some of the people – some deadly serious about rolling back gay rights – who will have his ear and are likely to pursue their agenda independently within their domains.

Jeff Sessions

The Attorney General is the top law enforcement officer and lawyer for the U.S. government. He or she is expected to protect Americans and not have animus against certain groups – like the LGBTQ community, women and people of color. So it is a concern that the Human Rights Campaign has given Sessions a “zero percent” voting record on LGBT rights.

This record goes beyond voting for a failed constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and against the repeal of “Don’t ask don’t tell,” as Sessions did, and includes his opposition to expanding the definition of a hate crime to include LGBTQ people. As head of the Justice Department, Sessions could undermine hate crime protections and undo Obama’s directive to schools not to discriminate against transgender students.

Ben Carson

The former pediatric brain surgeon and failed GOP candidate for President has some, to put it politely, interesting views on many things, including his theory that the pyramids in Egypt were constructed for storing grain. On LGBTQ rights, he’s notably hostile, saying that sexual orientation is a choice, comparing gay sex to bestiality, and opining that LGBTQs have more rights than Christians in America. He’s the choice for Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary. He’s also opposed to non-discrimination laws of all kind, laws he would be tasked with enforcing. As HUD Secretary he could rescind a 2012 rule prohibiting anti-LGBT discrimination in federally funded housing for low-income people, as one example.

Betsy DeVos

The billionaire Republican donor Betsy DeVos is not only anti-public school – we’re noticing a trend of nominating those who are opposed to the mission of the cabinets they would lead – she’s also an antigay activist. Her family has donated to anti-gay groups, including groups that advocate for the widely discredited conversion therapy to “cure” gays of their same-sex attraction.

LGBTQ kids have reason for concern, as Devos could remove the protection of favorable guidance in schools, including the Department of Education’s letters that have taken a strong stand against antigay and ant-trans policies in school districts.

Steve Bannon

As Trump’s top White House adviser not subject to Congressional confirmation, Steve Bannon will have the President’s ear. He’s been getting deserved consternation for his views on race and his alleged coddling of white supremacists. But as the chairman of Breitbart News Network, he also signed off on antigay stories, with headlines like “Gay Rights Have Made Us Dumber, It’s Time to Get Back in the Closet.”

Mike Pence

And then there’s Vice President-elect Mike Pence. As Indiana governor, Pence signed a controversial “license to discriminate” bill that allowed business to refuse service to LGBTQ people. As a Congressman, he urged lawmakers to “oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status.”

“One thing we know is that Pence is deeply devoted to undermining the human and civil rights of the LGBTQ community,” writes Emily Hauser in The Week. Hauser says Americans should pay close attention to what Pence does, as he’s already playing an outsized role in the administration, almost a shadow President.

And I’m not even counting members of the transition policy team, which includes a Breitbart editor who has worked for antigay groups and has written about the “homosexual agenda.” Plus, the Trump transition team’s domestic policy advisor, Ken Blackwell, has said gays can be reformed, “just like arsonists.”

Will the beliefs and past actions of these officials, assuming the ones up for confirmation are confirmed, matter to the day-to-day lives of LGBTQ Americans? Are hard-won gains of recent years in danger of being rolled back? Most definitely.

It’s become clear that as far as broad public opinion goes, the equality train has left the station. A solid majority of Americans approves of same-sex marriage. The Pew poll even found that 51 percent think that a person should use the restroom that corresponds to his or her gender identity. In North Carolina, Republican Gov. Pat McCrory was defeated, likely for pushing House Bill 2, the infamous “bathroom bill,” that brought an economic backlash to the state.

But the general public doesn’t make laws. And this election, we’re told, turned on economic anxiety of the white working class (and as I and others have pointed out, white resentment). LGBTQ rights were not well-explored in the general campaign, possibly because so many of the gains under the Obama administration were considered “settled.” But let’s be honest, nothing is ever settled.

There are many unknowns in the upcoming administration. I would say, ignore what the administration says – and please, for the sake of your sanity, ignore the tweets – and look closely at what it does. LGBTQ rights can be rolled back. Without close scrutiny and, if necessary, public outcry, the civil rights gains of this community could recede like the tide.
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Old 12-23-2016, 01:10 AM   #19
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...201-story.html

another reason the left is pissed is trump's cabinet is full of climate change rich a-holes who pump oil

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...201-story.html

There pretty much the exact opposite of what Theodore Roosevelt fought there anti environment pro oil
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Old 12-23-2016, 01:17 AM   #20
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Although Donald Trump called himself a “supporter” of LGBTQ rights, his cabinet and senior staff will include some of the most anti-gay politicians in the country.

On one of the biggest decisions a president can make, the selection of a Supreme Court Justice, Trump suggested he might make same-sex marriage a litmus test for his choice. In January, he told Fox News he would “strongly consider” appointing Supreme Court justices who would overturn the 2015 decision allowing same-sex marriage. He’s also said he would appoint a justice like the late Antonin Scalia. Scalia, you may recall, wrote a blistering dissent against the same-sex marriage ruling, and has ruled against legalizing sodomy.

But, then, Trump says a lot of things he doesn’t remember saying. Many people in the know say that his views on many issues are all over the place, and he’s likely to follow the advice of the person he last talked to. So let’s consider some of the people – some deadly serious about rolling back gay rights – who will have his ear and are likely to pursue their agenda independently within their domains.

Jeff Sessions

The Attorney General is the top law enforcement officer and lawyer for the U.S. government. He or she is expected to protect Americans and not have animus against certain groups – like the LGBTQ community, women and people of color. So it is a concern that the Human Rights Campaign has given Sessions a “zero percent” voting record on LGBT rights.

This record goes beyond voting for a failed constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and against the repeal of “Don’t ask don’t tell,” as Sessions did, and includes his opposition to expanding the definition of a hate crime to include LGBTQ people. As head of the Justice Department, Sessions could undermine hate crime protections and undo Obama’s directive to schools not to discriminate against transgender students.

Ben Carson

The former pediatric brain surgeon and failed GOP candidate for President has some, to put it politely, interesting views on many things, including his theory that the pyramids in Egypt were constructed for storing grain. On LGBTQ rights, he’s notably hostile, saying that sexual orientation is a choice, comparing gay sex to bestiality, and opining that LGBTQs have more rights than Christians in America. He’s the choice for Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary. He’s also opposed to non-discrimination laws of all kind, laws he would be tasked with enforcing. As HUD Secretary he could rescind a 2012 rule prohibiting anti-LGBT discrimination in federally funded housing for low-income people, as one example.

Betsy DeVos

The billionaire Republican donor Betsy DeVos is not only anti-public school – we’re noticing a trend of nominating those who are opposed to the mission of the cabinets they would lead – she’s also an antigay activist. Her family has donated to anti-gay groups, including groups that advocate for the widely discredited conversion therapy to “cure” gays of their same-sex attraction.

LGBTQ kids have reason for concern, as Devos could remove the protection of favorable guidance in schools, including the Department of Education’s letters that have taken a strong stand against antigay and ant-trans policies in school districts.

Steve Bannon

As Trump’s top White House adviser not subject to Congressional confirmation, Steve Bannon will have the President’s ear. He’s been getting deserved consternation for his views on race and his alleged coddling of white supremacists. But as the chairman of Breitbart News Network, he also signed off on antigay stories, with headlines like “Gay Rights Have Made Us Dumber, It’s Time to Get Back in the Closet.”

Mike Pence

And then there’s Vice President-elect Mike Pence. As Indiana governor, Pence signed a controversial “license to discriminate” bill that allowed business to refuse service to LGBTQ people. As a Congressman, he urged lawmakers to “oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status.”

“One thing we know is that Pence is deeply devoted to undermining the human and civil rights of the LGBTQ community,” writes Emily Hauser in The Week. Hauser says Americans should pay close attention to what Pence does, as he’s already playing an outsized role in the administration, almost a shadow President.

And I’m not even counting members of the transition policy team, which includes a Breitbart editor who has worked for antigay groups and has written about the “homosexual agenda.” Plus, the Trump transition team’s domestic policy advisor, Ken Blackwell, has said gays can be reformed, “just like arsonists.”

Will the beliefs and past actions of these officials, assuming the ones up for confirmation are confirmed, matter to the day-to-day lives of LGBTQ Americans? Are hard-won gains of recent years in danger of being rolled back? Most definitely.

It’s become clear that as far as broad public opinion goes, the equality train has left the station. A solid majority of Americans approves of same-sex marriage. The Pew poll even found that 51 percent think that a person should use the restroom that corresponds to his or her gender identity. In North Carolina, Republican Gov. Pat McCrory was defeated, likely for pushing House Bill 2, the infamous “bathroom bill,” that brought an economic backlash to the state.

But the general public doesn’t make laws. And this election, we’re told, turned on economic anxiety of the white working class (and as I and others have pointed out, white resentment). LGBTQ rights were not well-explored in the general campaign, possibly because so many of the gains under the Obama administration were considered “settled.” But let’s be honest, nothing is ever settled.

There are many unknowns in the upcoming administration. I would say, ignore what the administration says – and please, for the sake of your sanity, ignore the tweets – and look closely at what it does. LGBTQ rights can be rolled back. Without close scrutiny and, if necessary, public outcry, the civil rights gains of this community could recede like the tide.
Honestly, that travesty of a court ruling should be rolled back, and it's not even about gay rights.

It's about the role of the SCOTUS and what cases it should/should not take based on their constitutionally-mandated role.

It gave the SCOTUS authority that it shouldn't have, and though it would be hilarious to see Leftists suffer under a rogue SCOTUS that they themselves created and encouraged, it would still be unconstitutional and wrong, so roll it back.
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Old 12-23-2016, 01:23 AM   #21
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For the life of me, I can't understand why gay people fear Trump. It's completely irrational.
Given that Trump's obviously ok with the homosexuals, it's got to be because of the Russians (or maybe even some other shadowy group) trying to influence the election. After all, if that's wasn't it, we'd have to start questioning the honesty and integrity of the Democrat party and the media.
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We've seen the supposedly calm-and-cool flower children of the left morph from self-proclaimed peace loving people to ravenous angry old wo/men now that Hillary lost. So far all we've heard are claims that Donald Trump is terrible and the worst person in the world.

We all know he grabbed the pussy of a woman who wasn't bothered by it enough to file against him; is that what's so bad that he'll end the world? He's rich?

What's he going to do, or undo, that's going to end the world? What progress has happened that's now going to be stopped or reversed/undone?

Can you please be more specific, what are you afraid of?

Discuss...
He's not going to end the world. The planet is stronger than humanity and any species on it.

I think there are any number of policy positions Trump embraces that could cause serious concern.

The biggest is probably his temperament. Even Trump supporters acknowledge that he's incredibly volatile. There is a fear among many people who aren't in the Trump bubble that we could flirt with armed conflict in the future based off little more than flare-ups in Trump's incredible temper. While I'd probably put the odds of nuclear war very low, nuclear war threatens humanity more than any other threat, and putting someone with Trump's complete lack of temperamental restraint in charge of pushing the button isn't comforting, to say the least.

Probably the other, biggest global concern is climate change. We're at a very precarious spot in the world's ability to combat climate change. The longer we wait, the more severe action we're going to have to take in the future or risk serious, global consequences that will reach every shore. At the very least, we're talking severe humanitarian risk down the road if nothing is done. Fortunately, much of the world community is acting, but that can potentially be undone if the world sees the United States go balls deep on carbon-spewing energy and seemingly ready to shun alternative energy.

Those are probably the biggest concerns.

Trump's seeming comfort with the US defaulting on its debts, his seemingly complete indifference to the cause of minorities, and the threats his administration is going to pose to the health and livelihood of public education are very real, and very serious. To say nothing of the fact that he all-but-guarantees a Supreme Court that will protect the wealthy's ability to try buying elections.

There's plenty of reasons for people to feel anxiety over the incoming Trump administration.

I'm more optimistic; Trump's administration will probably be terrible and a Democrat could sweep into power with possible majorities in 2020. The courts are on the verge of cracking down on gerrymandering. The Republicans will likely weaken the filibuster over the next four years, making legislation easier in the future.

Much of what Trump will do can be reversed. That won't alleviate the real time suffering we'll see, but it could at least give future generations a shot.
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When you ask a liberal what, exactly, about Trump is scaring them, this is what you get:

Okay, to be fair, this is terrifying.
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Obama was around for 8 years, with a son in college I'm father-proof that liberals didn't make it free. I doubt they would have ever made it free either.

After 8 years of Obama, I pay more for healthcare than ever before. So it was headed in the wrong direction for me...
I always got a kick out of Bernie Sanders saying he would make all college free. Now that would really dilute the system. Are they going to make Harvard free too? At some point, some elite school wouldn't be free. And all those idiots going to free tax paid for schools would be wasting their time, compared to the kids going to high dollar elite schools. Southeastern Snowflake Community College degree would just be then laughed at by employers.
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What's dumb is that you think most liberals turned into ravenous angry old wo/men. Most of them aren't acting like some of the crazies being broadcast on the conservative media, that's just a small fraction. Just like not every Republican is a white supremacist. This false narrative crap is what is mind boggling to me. I keep seeing posts on here about how the Dems are going to secede from the union and they are going to make people vote the wrong way in the electoral college, etc., etc., etc. That's not the majority of Dems, it's a small grouping.

The lack of understanding that is the same inane thinking that led to the Trump victory, just on the other side. 8 years ago, the Republican party is dead! Now, the Democrat party is dead!

Next cycle Republicans will lose some seats and in 4 years, they'll lose some more. That would be the case no matter which Republican is in the presidency. Just like how Obama lost Dem seats when he was in office. That's historically what happens, people blame the guy in office for whatever their current issue is.
I'm sure you have a good point about the scale of dissent overall in the nation.

And I think it's possible that a lot of his is raw emotionalism/temper tantrum that will fade over time, whether it's due to fatigue or due to dire predictions not coming to pass. As such, I strive not to react in full anger at every incident that occurs.

But there are 4 axes where the dissent is greater and [in some cases] less excusable this time around.

1. It's more immediate - Trump hasn't even taken office, while the rumblings of Obama dissent didn't come to fruition until months or years in office
1. It's more pointed, without being specific [hence the question in the OP]. That is 'what are you angry about?' Trump. 'But WHAT about him." Oh everything. . .
3. It's higher profile - Outside the professional political chattering class, the Obama dissent had Adam Baldwin and James Woods. Eventually what, the duck call dudes and the Duggars? This time every single late night show has gone from jokes to full mourning. Every daytime talk show is a Glenn Beck conspiracy-fest, every creative type has to weigh in, every comedian, singer, athlete, etc. has to weave their complaints into their entertainment vehicle.
4. Rather than denounced, they are righteous and justified. Confront them and they'll tell you, sure those who criticized Obama were idiot racist bigoted assholes, and sure we're doing the exact same thing, but this is different because Trump.

The profile of the dissenters and the sense of justification/smugness is the key. The election is barely over, and there is barely any form of entertainment/leisure where you won't be faced with someone there to remind you of how much resentment they're holding and how strident and angry they are committed to being for 'as long as it takes.' This further is a reminder of how much disdain those you support with your entertainment dollars have for you, their audience. And before someone counters with 'they have a right to an opinion.' Sure they do. I'm not asking them to feel different than they do. That's unreasonable. What's reasonable though is not to expect people you are supporting in their craft to come in and call you an asshole to your face as part of the craft you are supporting.

Now, given that. Is it too much to ask for a rational catalog of the specific complaints underlying so determined an effort to foment hatred and dissatisfaction?

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