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Old 07-20-2018, 08:59 AM  
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What are your thoughts on this word? Or the word "compromise"? Just curious.
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Old 07-20-2018, 03:52 PM   #91
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Ya know guys, something that isn't really being talked about here and is real important to me...we're kind of an under represented class with this, but uhm.

Has anyone really thought about how difficult it can be being a Moderate Troll? When everyone is a potential punching bag it's kinda lonely...

I mean, both the left and right expose themselves for easy shots...and well, you gotta take those when they're given for the sake of comedy. But as a moderate, it's easy to offend everyone.

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Old 07-20-2018, 06:32 PM   #92
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Some don't. But many do. But they know neither party represents what they want and that their only options are far from the ideal. So yeah, they're a little schizo because they have to constantly choose between alternatives they don't like.

Here's a classic example... Feminists who believe strongly in gender equality were booted out of a feminist movement because they leaned pro life. That woman doesn't fit in anywhere.

A ton of Republican women who are pro life and see themselves as strongly feminist would make sure that comment is ill conceived and wrong headed.
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Old 07-20-2018, 09:35 PM   #93
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Compromise is rare. It's something i use to believe was possible.

Moderate. Oh boy. I use to think most of the U.S fell under some shade of moderate. I'm not sure about that anymore.

What i am sure of though, is that Lex will be here shortly to tell us how moderate he is.
I've already stated on this site that it's impossible to be a moderate any more. I've also stated that I am no longer a moderate.

In order to be a moderate, you have to be able to agree with the Left on some issues and with the Right on other issues. Since the Right has sold its collective soul to Donald Trump, and since the Republican party leaders have completely lost their spines and do absolutely ****ing nothing about the fact that Donald Trump is openly committing treason, I can't be a moderate.

I am an Independent Liberal. Since the posters on this site are so obsessed with labeling me and are so worried about how I describe myself, Independent Liberal is the label you can take to the bank from now on.
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:16 PM   #94
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I've already stated on this site that it's impossible to be a moderate any more. I've also stated that I am no longer a moderate.

In order to be a moderate, you have to be able to agree with the Left on some issues and with the Right on other issues. Since the Right has sold its collective soul to Donald Trump, and since the Republican party leaders have completely lost their spines and do absolutely ****ing nothing about the fact that Donald Trump is openly committing treason, I can't be a moderate.

I am an Independent Liberal. Since the posters on this site are so obsessed with labeling me and are so worried about how I describe myself, Independent Liberal is the label you can take to the bank from now on.
Put on your Nutter hat and relax.
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:49 PM   #95
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While fun to throw around in all our written warfare here the political labels are about as useful as the word ****.
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Old 07-20-2018, 11:33 PM   #96
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Old 07-21-2018, 12:47 AM   #97
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Come on man, that's not fair. He has come out of the closet on here officially as a liberal. He has walked away from his previous moderate stance, and I actually commend him for that

Another moderate has actually figured out what they believe
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And this is what happens to actual moderates. Conservatives love attacking anyone who doesnt drink the kool aid, even people who want to try to stay in the middle.
I attacked nobody. My comment was not snarky. I do appreciate anybody that definitely decides where they stand. Myself and Lex have had this conversation twice here before, (and once recently, but I'm not gonna look around for it).

Do I wish he had done his soul searching and decided that conservatism was for him, you bet I do. But, he didn't, so here we are. It's kinda like me where my dad raised me to believe the Democrats were for the working class. I believed it until I actually became the working class, then I had to stare at the situation and make a decision. I did, and here I am.

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I've already stated on this site that it's impossible to be a moderate any more. I've also stated that I am no longer a moderate.

In order to be a moderate, you have to be able to agree with the Left on some issues and with the Right on other issues. Since the Right has sold its collective soul to Donald Trump, and since the Republican party leaders have completely lost their spines and do absolutely ****ing nothing about the fact that Donald Trump is openly committing treason, I can't be a moderate.

I am an Independent Liberal. Since the posters on this site are so obsessed with labeling me and are so worried about how I describe myself, Independent Liberal is the label you can take to the bank from now on.

Man, I have been going to bat for you on this self labeling thing, but you are gonna have to help me here. What is an independent liberal? I guess they apparently hate Trump, but what else distinguishes them from every other liberal/progressive?
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Old 07-21-2018, 12:59 AM   #98
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I've already stated on this site that it's impossible to be a moderate any more. I've also stated that I am no longer a moderate.

In order to be a moderate, you have to be able to agree with the Left on some issues and with the Right on other issues. Since the Right has sold its collective soul to Donald Trump, and since the Republican party leaders have completely lost their spines and do absolutely ****ing nothing about the fact that Donald Trump is openly committing treason, I can't be a moderate.

I am an Independent Liberal. Since the posters on this site are so obsessed with labeling me and are so worried about how I describe myself, Independent Liberal is the label you can take to the bank from now on.
you've always been a liberal.

Nobody on this site loves to politically label himself and tell you who he voted for in the past more than Lex.

It makes sense, though..dude lives vicariously through politics. His calling Trump treasonous, is absolutely no different than when he predicted OVER AND OVER AND OVER how Hellary would win, and how it was the fault of Trump supporters. Yet, he still defends her to this day.
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Moderates don't know what they believe?
I think you quoted the wrong post. I think this is the post of mine you meant to quote ( If I am figuring this wrong let me know)

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That is both hilarious and sad. But true a majority of the time.



That's an interesting way of putting it. I like it

One of my first encounters here on CP was with Brainiac (Lex) on this very subject. I said then and still believe now that a moderate walks the fence. They generally go whichever way the wind blows. They generally have no ideologies (for lack of a better term) of their own, they just cling to what it trendy or popular at the time. And when that changes, so do they.

In many ways a moderate is more dangerous than a hard right/ hard left type. At least in those cases you know what you are getting/where you stand. Like most, I generally bite the bullet and vote for whatever right leaning moderate the damn Repubs put up there, but that is quickly getting old. Because all you get there is a slow slide to the left instead of the radical dive left you get with a Dem candidate, either left leaning or hard left. On their side of the field it seems to make little difference which way you go, they always seem radical. I wonder if it is because their parties transformation is complete where the Repubs are still in transition, I dunno
I never said they don't know what they believe, I said they believe whatever seems to be popular at the time (and generally at that). Is this what you was getting at? I may be confused.
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Old 07-21-2018, 06:34 AM   #100
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While fun to throw around in all our written warfare here the political labels are about as useful as the word ****.
I disagree.

Labels can be useful. It's only when they're misdefined or misused they're junk. It's just that some don't fit each label neatly enough to be categorized. Some take them as insults though. I don't mind be labeled "conservative" , "Constitutionalist", Right-Wing or Floridian-New Englander, woman, she, her etc.

They are merely an identifier as to what a person thinks/believes or who they are just like the name of a religion, or the language one uses.
Can be a form of shorthand instead of having to type out someone's positions each time you communicate. Kinda unwieldy to do that.

Your name is a label...in fact every word is when you really look at it.

Labels are cool.
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Old 07-21-2018, 06:40 AM   #101
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I agree on both. Like I said, "reasonable" people have to choose between two extremes.
What a silly claim. Reasonable is just as relative and subjective a term as "moderate." You're a statist in between two types of statists—both of whom have their own authoritarian planks. You advocate for globalism—often.

To our Framers you'd possibly be considered the "extremist." Remember, they were considered "extremists" to much of Europe in their time and so was the form of our new govt which was laughed at.
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Old 07-21-2018, 06:42 AM   #102
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I disagree.

Labels can be useful. It's only when they're misdefined or misused they're junk. It's just that some don't fit each label neatly enough to be categorized. Some take them as insults though. I don't mind be labeled "conservative" , "Constitutionalist", Right-Wing or Floridian-New Englander, woman, she, her etc.

They are merely an identifier as to what a person thinks/believes or who they are just like the name of a religion, or the language one uses.
Can be a form of shorthand instead of having to type out someone's positions each time you communicate. Kinda unwieldy to do that.

Your name is a label...in fact every word is when you really look at it.

Labels are cool.
True in theory. Unfortunately, a lot of people are terrible at using consistent, universally agreed definitions for their labels so their use too often becomes useless name-calling. You’re a prime example.
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I disagree.

Labels can be useful. It's only when they're misdefined or misused they're junk. It's just that some don't fit each label neatly enough to be categorized. Some take them as insults though. I don't mind be labeled "conservative" , "Constitutionalist", Right-Wing or Floridian-New Englander, woman, she, her etc.

They are merely an identifier as to what a person thinks/believes or who they are just like the name of a religion, or the language one uses.
Can be a form of shorthand instead of having to type out someone's positions each time you communicate. Kinda unwieldy to do that.

Your name is a label...in fact every word is when you really look at it.

Labels are cool.
Your name only means what it means to you. To someome else it may mean a slew of explitives that normally I'd type out for comedic effect.

G strings are cool.
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True in theory. Unfortunately, a lot of people are terrible at using consistent, universally agreed definitions for their labels so their use too often becomes useless name-calling. You’re a prime example.
That has to do with our education system in large part. I am a proud example because I have bothered to look up the words including their specialized meanings along with their etymologies. I was actually straightened out on a lot of these words by a history teacher. Words have meanings and without those meanings there is no meeting of the minds on what people are actually talking about breaking down communication.

You're a prime example, while you constantly deflect by pretending to not know what a NeoCon believes, despite posting their positions most consistently than anyone here. This is despite putting up several articles with a list of the major planks of that ideology and from where the leaders of that ideology came. I suspect this is butt-hurt over me calling you a "NeoCon" or the politicians you admire most as NeoCons — like Dick Cheney,your superhero Paul Ryan and Max Boot. You're a classic example of the "NeoCon" political persuasion.
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