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Trump the Lesser's Meeting with Russian Lawyer for Clinton Dirt. Collusion?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/s-donal...on-with-russia

For the past seven months, President Donald Trump and his campaign have been dogged by allegations that they colluded with the Russian government during the presidential election.

Now, there appears to be some evidence supporting the thrust of the allegation.

Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, was offered “damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign,” the New York Times reported Sunday.

On Saturday, Trump Jr., presidential son-in-law and senior advisor Jared Kushner, and then-campaign chair Paul Manafort confirmed that they met with lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya in Trump Tower on June 9, 2016—two days after Clinton clinched the Democratic presidential nomination.

Trump Jr. said in a statement Sunday that Veselnitskaya claimed “she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.” Trump Jr. said she did not provide additional information.

After Veselnitskaya’s “vague” statement about Clinton, Trump Jr. said, the conversation turned to Russia's freeze of adoptions to the U.S. in retaliation for sanctions against individual Russians under the Magnitsky Act.

The report is the first public account that people associated with the Kremlin offered damaging information on Clinton to Trump—and that Trump’s campaign entertained the offer.

A dossier compiled by ex-British spy Christopher Steele alleged the existence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government during the election, which alleged, among other things, Russia sent damaging information on Clinton sent to the Trump campaign.

The dossier was published in January 2017, days before Trump was inaugurated. Then as now, Trump and members of his campaign denied any involvement with Russia.

The admission by the president’s eldest son comes less than 24 hours after the Trump legal team downplayed the meeting as a courtesy for a friend—and then proposed that the meeting was the result of a Democratic plot to entangle Trump with the Russians.

“It was a short introductory meeting,” Trump Jr. said in a statement on Saturday, in response to the initial story regarding the meeting with Veselnitskaya. “I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up.”

According to the president’s son, he “was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.”

The Washington Post reported on Sunday that the friend in question is music publicist Rob Goldstone, manager of would-be Russian pop star Emin Agalarov, whose developer father was the sponsor of the Miss Universe pageant in 2013, which took place in Moscow.

“Once she presented what she had to say, it was like, ‘Can you keep an eye on it? Should [Trump] be in power, maybe that’s conversation that he may have in the future?’” Goldstone told the Washington Post. Goldstone did not identify the client who requested the meeting’s arrangement.

The Trump team’s initial strategy of dismissing the Veselnitskaya meeting switched to claiming it was a set-up by Democrats apparently using Kremlin operatives to sink the Trump campaign.

“We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,” Mark Corallo, spokesperson for Trump’s outside counsel, said in a statement released a few hours after the original New York Times story published.

“Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the president and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier,” Corallo continued, referring to the political intelligence firm that hired Steele to compile the dossier on Trump.

“These developments raise serious issues as to exactly who authorized and participated in any effort by Russian nationals to influence our election in any manner,” Corallo concluded.

Poking a hole in Corallo’s supposition is the fact that Fusion GPS had been hired by the law firm to undermine the Magnitsky Act, a 2012 law intended to punish Russian officials allegedly responsible for the death of Russian national Sergei Magnitsky, a tax attorney who uncovered a $230 million tax scam involving senior Russian government officials. Magnitsky was later arrested on the pretext that he was the perpetrator of a separate tax fraud himself, and died under mysterious circumstances.

The Magnitsky Act’s passage in 2012, in addition to other sanctions, helped prompted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to halt the adoption of Russian orphans by American parents—what Trump Jr. has characterized as the “primary” subject of discussion at the Trump Tower meeting.

Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California Democrat who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and has been an aggressive questioner during public hearings regarding Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, was incredulous in response to the report.

“Donald Trump and his team had an extraordinary & unprecedented amount of personal, political, financial ties with Russia, at the time Russia was helping his campaign and undermining our democracy,” Swalwell said in a text to The Daily Beast. “Each of those ties, including recently learned meetings between Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort with Russians who wanted to damage Hillary Clinton, must be fully investigated.”

Swalwell continued, saying that Trump Jr.’s own claims prove that the Trump team “was willing to work with a foreign adversary to beat an American political opponent. That's a level of betrayal of our country we have never seen in politics.”

Three months after the meeting in Trump Tower, a Republican operative implied he was working Trump campaign adviser Michael Flynn to obtain Clinton's emails from Russian hackers. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that Peter W. Smith told recruits for his project that he was in contact with Flynn and his son.

Flynn and the White House did not respond to requests for comment about the article.

– With additional reporting by Noah Shachtman
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Old 07-09-2017, 08:54 PM   #16
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Old 07-09-2017, 08:57 PM   #18
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Did the O.P. not actually read the story, is he just trolling, or is he actually stupid enough to think it means something against Trump?
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Old 07-09-2017, 08:58 PM   #19
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Here's a pretty good hint that TJ didn't read the article before Googling bullshit, then had to panic delete:

"Poking a hole in Corallo’s supposition is the fact that Fusion GPS had been hired by the law firm to undermine the Magnitsky Act, a 2012 law intended to punish Russian officials allegedly responsible for the death of Russian national Sergei Magnitsky, a tax attorney who uncovered a $230 million tax scam involving senior Russian government officials. Magnitsky was later arrested on the pretext that he was the perpetrator of a separate tax fraud himself, and died under mysterious circumstances.

The Magnitsky Act’s passage in 2012, in addition to other sanctions, helped prompted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to halt the adoption of Russian orphans by American parents—what Trump Jr. has characterized as the “primary” subject of discussion at the Trump Tower meeting."


So, Trump Jr. admits that he met with this lawyer to dig up dirt on Clinton, but we can't trust the NYT saying this despite the fact that he has his own statement saying so, and Putin barred American adoption of Russian children because of fear of pedophiles, despite the article explicitly stating that his ban was a reaction to the Magnitsky act.

Does that cover it all?
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Old 07-09-2017, 09:00 PM   #20
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Did the O.P. not actually read the story, is he just trolling, or is he actually stupid enough to think it means something against Trump?
Well why don't you tell me why Trump's son saying that he, his brother-in-law, and his father's former campaign manager met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to discuss dirt on Clinton doesn't mean anything?

I thought they never met with the Russians?

Which move in 87D chess is this?
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Here's a pretty good hint that TJ didn't read the article before Googling bullshit, then had to panic delete:

"Poking a hole in Corallo’s supposition is the fact that Fusion GPS had been hired by the law firm to undermine the Magnitsky Act, a 2012 law intended to punish Russian officials allegedly responsible for the death of Russian national Sergei Magnitsky, a tax attorney who uncovered a $230 million tax scam involving senior Russian government officials. Magnitsky was later arrested on the pretext that he was the perpetrator of a separate tax fraud himself, and died under mysterious circumstances.

The Magnitsky Act’s passage in 2012, in addition to other sanctions, helped prompted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to halt the adoption of Russian orphans by American parents—what Trump Jr. has characterized as the “primary” subject of discussion at the Trump Tower meeting."


So, Trump Jr. admits that he met with this lawyer to dig up dirt on Clinton, but we can't trust the NYT saying this despite the fact that he has his own statement saying so, and Putin barred American adoption of Russian children because of fear of pedophiles, despite the article explicitly stating that his ban was a reaction to the Magnitsky act.

Does that cover it all?
It wasn't a panic delete at all. I'm just patient and willing to watch this unfold in it's own glorious timing. I'm really enjoying watching this all set up.

Wait until you see what the dirt here is. People are going to shit.
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It wasn't a panic delete at all. I'm just patient and willing to watch this unfold in it's own glorious timing. I'm really enjoying watching this all set up.

Wait until you see what the dirt here is. People are going to shit.
If you're patient, why post a link claiming that Putin was banning adoptions due to fear of American pedophiles, then delete it?


If you truly trusted your information, why get rid of it?
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If you're patient, why post a link claiming that Putin was banning adoptions due to fear of American pedophiles, then delete it?


If you truly trusted your information, why get rid of it?

Because many people are still asleep or inadvertently working for the pedophiles and aren't capable of reading between the lines. Better for them to get this sack of dead rats dumped in their laps and be shocked awake when the time comes.

I'm sure that a lot of people believe that Putin banned American adoption because of some tax evasion scheme (like that makes sense). I'm content to let them continue to believe that. I'm not here to convince anybody. I'm just watching the world turn.
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Because many people are still asleep or inadvertently working for the pedophiles and aren't capable of reading between the lines. Better for them to get this sack of dead rats dumped in their laps and be shocked awake when the time comes.

I'm sure that a lot of people believe that Putin banned American adoption because of some tax evasion scheme (like that makes sense). I'm content to let them continue to believe that. I'm not here to convince anybody. I'm just watching the world turn.
So you're patient except when you're not patient?

Your official stance is that Putin banned adoptions in order to protect Russian children from an American pedophile ring?
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If a Collusion happens in the woods and no ones there to witness it. Does it really collude?
If the son of the POTUS admits to attempting to collude with a representative of a hostile foreign power for dirt on political enemies, is it of any significance?
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