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Trump the Lesser's Meeting with Russian Lawyer for Clinton Dirt. Collusion?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/s-donal...on-with-russia

For the past seven months, President Donald Trump and his campaign have been dogged by allegations that they colluded with the Russian government during the presidential election.

Now, there appears to be some evidence supporting the thrust of the allegation.

Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, was offered “damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign,” the New York Times reported Sunday.

On Saturday, Trump Jr., presidential son-in-law and senior advisor Jared Kushner, and then-campaign chair Paul Manafort confirmed that they met with lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya in Trump Tower on June 9, 2016—two days after Clinton clinched the Democratic presidential nomination.

Trump Jr. said in a statement Sunday that Veselnitskaya claimed “she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton.” Trump Jr. said she did not provide additional information.

After Veselnitskaya’s “vague” statement about Clinton, Trump Jr. said, the conversation turned to Russia's freeze of adoptions to the U.S. in retaliation for sanctions against individual Russians under the Magnitsky Act.

The report is the first public account that people associated with the Kremlin offered damaging information on Clinton to Trump—and that Trump’s campaign entertained the offer.

A dossier compiled by ex-British spy Christopher Steele alleged the existence of a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government during the election, which alleged, among other things, Russia sent damaging information on Clinton sent to the Trump campaign.

The dossier was published in January 2017, days before Trump was inaugurated. Then as now, Trump and members of his campaign denied any involvement with Russia.

The admission by the president’s eldest son comes less than 24 hours after the Trump legal team downplayed the meeting as a courtesy for a friend—and then proposed that the meeting was the result of a Democratic plot to entangle Trump with the Russians.

“It was a short introductory meeting,” Trump Jr. said in a statement on Saturday, in response to the initial story regarding the meeting with Veselnitskaya. “I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up.”

According to the president’s son, he “was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.”

The Washington Post reported on Sunday that the friend in question is music publicist Rob Goldstone, manager of would-be Russian pop star Emin Agalarov, whose developer father was the sponsor of the Miss Universe pageant in 2013, which took place in Moscow.

“Once she presented what she had to say, it was like, ‘Can you keep an eye on it? Should [Trump] be in power, maybe that’s conversation that he may have in the future?’” Goldstone told the Washington Post. Goldstone did not identify the client who requested the meeting’s arrangement.

The Trump team’s initial strategy of dismissing the Veselnitskaya meeting switched to claiming it was a set-up by Democrats apparently using Kremlin operatives to sink the Trump campaign.

“We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,” Mark Corallo, spokesperson for Trump’s outside counsel, said in a statement released a few hours after the original New York Times story published.

“Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the president and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier,” Corallo continued, referring to the political intelligence firm that hired Steele to compile the dossier on Trump.

“These developments raise serious issues as to exactly who authorized and participated in any effort by Russian nationals to influence our election in any manner,” Corallo concluded.

Poking a hole in Corallo’s supposition is the fact that Fusion GPS had been hired by the law firm to undermine the Magnitsky Act, a 2012 law intended to punish Russian officials allegedly responsible for the death of Russian national Sergei Magnitsky, a tax attorney who uncovered a $230 million tax scam involving senior Russian government officials. Magnitsky was later arrested on the pretext that he was the perpetrator of a separate tax fraud himself, and died under mysterious circumstances.

The Magnitsky Act’s passage in 2012, in addition to other sanctions, helped prompted Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to halt the adoption of Russian orphans by American parents—what Trump Jr. has characterized as the “primary” subject of discussion at the Trump Tower meeting.

Rep. Eric Swalwell, a California Democrat who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and has been an aggressive questioner during public hearings regarding Russian attempts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, was incredulous in response to the report.

“Donald Trump and his team had an extraordinary & unprecedented amount of personal, political, financial ties with Russia, at the time Russia was helping his campaign and undermining our democracy,” Swalwell said in a text to The Daily Beast. “Each of those ties, including recently learned meetings between Don Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort with Russians who wanted to damage Hillary Clinton, must be fully investigated.”

Swalwell continued, saying that Trump Jr.’s own claims prove that the Trump team “was willing to work with a foreign adversary to beat an American political opponent. That's a level of betrayal of our country we have never seen in politics.”

Three months after the meeting in Trump Tower, a Republican operative implied he was working Trump campaign adviser Michael Flynn to obtain Clinton's emails from Russian hackers. The Wall Street Journal reported last month that Peter W. Smith told recruits for his project that he was in contact with Flynn and his son.

Flynn and the White House did not respond to requests for comment about the article.

– With additional reporting by Noah Shachtman
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:17 AM   #91
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:20 AM   #92
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:23 AM   #93
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Re Russia Probe

Alan Dershowitz on Russia Probe: We Accuse People of Crime Too Fast in This Country

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/07/0...e-fast-country
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:25 AM   #94
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Well why don't you tell me why Trump's son saying that he, his brother-in-law, and his father's former campaign manager met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to discuss dirt on Clinton doesn't mean anything?

I thought they never met with the Russians?

Which move in 87D chess is this?
So we've now gone from "hacked", to "interfered", to "influenced", to "meddled", and now "talked to a Kremlin connected lawyer" (which isn't the Russian government, no matter how badly some want it to be).
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:26 AM   #95
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Alan Dershowitz:
"Well first of all I don’t see any evidence of collusion, and second even if there was major collusion, that’s not a crime. Even hypothetically if the administration or the candidate got together with the Russians and said, “Please help me become president. Do whatever you can to help me.” That wouldn’t be a crime… The most serious condemnations that have been made have nothing to do with criminal conduct. Collusion with the Russians is not criminal conduct.”
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:35 AM   #96
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Collusion with the Russians is not criminal conduct.
The latest defense by the Trump supporters.

Impressive.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:37 AM   #97
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The latest defense by the Trump supporters.

Impressive.
This is exactly correct.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:42 AM   #98
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This is exactly correct.
In both your opinions. The man deserves a defense. It's an American value.
Especially when Democrats have done the same kinds of things—some even worse.
We still have a free-enough press outside the-colluding-with-HiLiaRy press. Also Obama, who they protected.
Trump haters hate this because they can't control the narrative to their liking.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:46 AM   #99
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It's sad to see you, oldandslow, teaming up with one of our resident Brownshirts who shames voters for their choice.
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The latest defense by the Trump supporters.

Impressive.
Don't forget this one:



I'll give Trump credit: he knew, and knows, his hardcore supporters very, VERY, well.
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:48 AM   #101
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The latest defense by the Trump supporters.

Impressive.
When you provide evidence to the contrary that defense isn't accurate be sure to let us know.

I mean with something substantial. Not booger man evidence.
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In both your opinions. The man deserves a defense. It's an American value.
Especially when Democrats have done the same kinds of things—some even worse.
We still have a free-enough press outside the colluding with HiLiaRy press. Also Obama, who they protected.
Trump haters hate this because they can't control the narrative to their liking.
You are frantically moving the goalposts because you know your position is untenable.

BEP's "evolving" defense of Trump:

1. There was never any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. Fake news!

2. Well, um, it's not illegal for the Trump campaign to collude with Russia!

3. Leave Trump alone!
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Old 07-10-2017, 07:52 AM   #103
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When you provide evidence to the contrary that defense isn't accurate be sure to let us know.

I mean with something substantial. Not booger man evidence.
If I have to point out to you that "Collusion with Russia is not illegal" is a ridiculous and lame defense, there's not much I can do for you.
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Would this be like the foreign dossier on Trump that the Clinton campaign paid for?
I don't see anyone comparing it with the slow burning Loretta Lynch scandal, which we are supposed to dismiss out of hand in order to focus on innuendo relating to this.
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It's sad to see you, oldandslow, teaming up with one of our resident Brownshirts who shames voters for their choice.
Stop taking it so damn personal. It's not about shaming voters. It's about pointing out that in many ways Trump's behavior is indefensible, and it's just plain crazy to bend over backwards to defend the indefensible.

I have voted for candidates several times in the past who later did things I found to be reprehensible. When a politician I voted for makes horrible decisions, I don't insist upon defending him. I criticize him just as loudly as the people do who voted against him.

Voting for a candidate doesn't obligate you to swear blind allegiance to him and to strenuously defend every move he makes. Politicians need to be held accountable by their supporters even more than by their opponents.
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