Late night bullshit: Drafting a passrusher in the first next year.

[Direckshun]

Let's face some serious facts that need to be faced going forward:

1. Alex Smith is The Guy, and the Chiefs will not draft QB in the 1st round.

2. The Chiefs are going to cut Tamba Hali. He costs too much against the cap in a year the Chiefs need to make room for Houston.

3. Dee Ford has not looked good, and while he can develop into a nice player eventually, he's not getting the snaps to do that right now.

Given these facts, why should we dismiss out of hand that the Chiefs wouldn't draft another passrusher in next year's 1st?

The team must remain traumatized by last year's experience of having zero depth at the position -- drafting someone like Randy Gregory and bringing Dee off the bench (and starting him if someone goes down) may not be the best use of resources of 2014's 1st rounder, but it would provide the team key depth and provide it a hellacious passrush with Houston and somebody like Gregory, with someone like Ford spelling either passrusher.

I think it's also possible the Chiefs draft a DE next year in the first, as I anticipate they will let Allen Bailey walk, and cut Mike DeVito -- but Kevin Vickerson is anybody's guess. I don't think they go offensive line -- I bet they bring Rodney Hudson, Jeff Allen, and Donald Stephenson back, although Allen and Stephenson would likely be in their last years in KC.

Playmaker is the most obvious go-to in this draft, but it's not clear where the fits are at CB or S. The best corner in this draft is 5'9" and a hair slower than Dorsey likes them. It's not clear yet if there are any potentially dominant safety talents.

WR is the most obvious place to go, and Sammie Coates is as obvious a John Dorsey pick as there is in this draft -- all measurables, all project. Amari Cooper is more steady, but he's not outstanding in any phase of the game that I've detected except perhaps route-running -- and Alabama players do horribly in the NFL. That leaves you with Stephon Diggs.

At this point, I'd project Coates as a future Chief if we land a top ten pick, but a passrusher or down lineman would not surprise me.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Kind of my point. If he is so bad he can't even get on the field...that's bad.

Yah. That is troubling. I figured he would be in the nickel package immediately like the Seahawks used bruce irvin.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Count Zarth

Kind of my point. If he is so bad he can't even get on the field...that's bad.

That Tamba Hali and Justin Houston are kinda good. Plan is obviously use him next year.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RunKC

That Tamba Hali and Justin Houston are kinda good. Plan is obviously use him next year.

Come on man. Hali and Houston can't play every snap.

Dee Ford is not good right now. Something is very wrong about a R1 pick not even getting on the field.

Reminds me of Baldwin.

[Discuss Thrower]

The Chiefs need Ford to be a guy that can get 3-ish sacks this year as a rotational OLB.

He can't get on to the field.. probably because he can't cover like Houston and isn't near effective as a straight pass rusher like Hali.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Chandler Jones is an okay player. Solder, meh, without Logan he has looked like crap. Mayo was hurt all of last year.

And you mean Mccourty the corner who couldn't play corner and got moved to safety?

McCourty is one of the best FS s in the NFL.

So while not playing corner, it's still an excellent pick.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Actually. Try this. Name the last really good first round pick for the seahawks, packers, or pats. Ill wait.

Earl Thomas?

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Let's face some serious facts that need to be faced going forward:

1. Alex Smith is The Guy, and the Chiefs will not draft QB in the 1st round.

2. The Chiefs are going to cut Tamba Hali. He costs too much against the cap in a year the Chiefs need to make room for Houston.

3. Dee Ford has not looked good, and while he can develop into a nice player eventually, he's not getting the snaps to do that right now.

Given these facts, why should we dismiss out of hand that the Chiefs wouldn't draft another passrusher in next year's 1st?

The team must remain traumatized by last year's experience of having zero depth at the position -- drafting someone like Randy Gregory and bringing Dee off the bench (and starting him if someone goes down) may not be the best use of resources of 2014's 1st rounder, but it would provide the team key depth and provide it a hellacious passrush with Houston and somebody like Gregory, with someone like Ford spelling either passrusher.

I think it's also possible the Chiefs draft a DE next year in the first, as I anticipate they will let Allen Bailey walk, and cut Mike DeVito -- but Kevin Vickerson is anybody's guess. I don't think they go offensive line -- I bet they bring Rodney Hudson, Jeff Allen, and Donald Stephenson back, although Allen and Stephenson would likely be in their last years in KC.

Playmaker is the most obvious go-to in this draft, but it's not clear where the fits are at CB or S. The best corner in this draft is 5'9" and a hair slower than Dorsey likes them. It's not clear yet if there are any potentially dominant safety talents.

WR is the most obvious place to go, and Sammie Coates is as obvious a John Dorsey pick as there is in this draft -- all measurables, all project. Amari Cooper is more steady, but he's not outstanding in any phase of the game that I've detected except perhaps route-running -- and Alabama players do horribly in the NFL. That leaves you with Stephon Diggs.

At this point, I'd project Coates as a future Chief if we land a top ten pick, but a passrusher or down lineman would not surprise me.

I thought you of all people would want to give Dee Ford at least 5 years to develop.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

The Chiefs need Ford to be a guy that can get 3-ish sacks this year as a rotational OLB.

He can't get on to the field.. probably because he can't cover like Houston and isn't near effective as a straight pass rusher like Hali.

Houston was expected to be terrible at pass coverage when he first started.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Houston was expected to be terrible at pass coverage when he first started.

And Ford isn't anywhere near the athlete Houston is.

He's a one trick pony and his trick is getting into the offensive backfield.

Having Ford in coverage is like signing Jimmy Graham to be a run blocking tight end.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And Ford isn't anywhere near the athlete Houston is.

He's a one trick pony and his trick is getting into the offensive backfield.

Having Ford in coverage is like signing Jimmy Graham to be a run blocking tight end.

Right now, I would agree. I'm pointing out that Houston was supposed to be a one trick pony too and he's ended up being very well rounded. I'm not optimistic about Ford. But he at least deserves a year.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Yah. That is troubling. I figured he would be in the nickel package immediately like the Seahawks used bruce irvin.

You seem nice.

[RealSNR]

I think people are also pointing to Dontari Poe as the gold standard for drafting high risk high reward players.

You don't always have to scrounge up freakish athletes who were either inexperienced in college or require a lot of coaching to "re-make" them into pros. Sometimes it's nice to pick an Eric Berry or Tamba Hali or Dwayne Bowe (you might call him a high upside player, but it's not at all like we had to teach him the position from scratch). Players who fill a position of need and have high floors.

Not every ****ing pick has to be homerun. It's important to hit home runs, sure, but John Dorsey is like Salvador ****ing Perez out there.

If it's important to "just get the pick right" like he was talking about at #1 overall, then shouldn't he worry about assembling a draft class with a higher percentage of the players who won't suck goat testicles? Shouldn't we be trying to find a balance here?

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by SNR

I think people are also pointing to Dontari Poe as the gold standard for drafting high risk high reward players.

You don't always have to scrounge up freakish athletes who were either inexperienced in college or require a lot of coaching to "re-make" them into pros. Sometimes it's nice to pick an Eric Berry or Tamba Hali or Dwayne Bowe (you might call him a high upside player, but it's not at all like we had to teach him the position from scratch). Players who fill a position of need and have high floors.

Not every ****ing pick has to be homerun. It's important to hit home runs, sure, but John Dorsey is like Salvador ****ing Perez out there.

If it's important to "just get the pick right" like he was talking about at #1 overall, then shouldn't he worry about assembling a draft class with a higher percentage of the players who won't suck goat testicles? Shouldn't we be trying to find a balance here?

Dee Ford isn't even a freak athlete like Poe was coming out.

Dee Ford is just a flashy college player with quickness.

It's not like he was wowing people. Poe separated himself from every other d-lineman in that draft. Ford was basically with the rest of the pack with Mack, Ealy, Barr. No difference really other than the Chiefs reached for him.

[Titty Meat]

Randy Gregory will be the best pass rusher since Aldon Smith

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

It's not like he was wowing people. Poe separated himself from every other d-lineman in that draft. Ford was basically with the rest of the pack with Mack, Ealy, Barr. No difference really other than the Chiefs reached for him.

He was among these other rushers.. pretty much universally accepted as 1st round talents. Ford definitely was wowing throughout the draft process.

.. and I didn't much like the pick, so I don't feel the strong need to defend him.