**** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread, Part 2 ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#10 (23-8,14-4)

Players

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Returning Players
1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So.

Incoming Class
SF ***** Wayne Selden
C ***** Joel Embiid
PG **** Conner Frankamp
SF **** Brannen Greene
PG **** Frank Mason
SF ***** Andrew Wiggins

Transfers
Hunter Mickelson
Tarik Black

Non Conference

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11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)

Conference

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1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0)
1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. W(86-60)(11-4,2-0)
1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa W(77-70)(12-4,3-0)
1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. W(80-78)(13-4,4-0)
1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W(78-68)(14-4,5-0)
1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas W(91-69)(15-4,6-0)
1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W(92-81)(16-4,7-0)
2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas L(69-81)(16-5,7-1)
2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas W(69-52)(17-5,8-1)
2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. W(83-69)(18-5,9-1)
2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. L(82-85)(18-6,9-2)
2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. W(95-65)(19-6,10-2)
2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas W(64-63)(20-6,11-2)
2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. W(85-54)(21-6,12-2)
2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. W(83-75)(22-6,13-2)
3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. L(65-72)(22-7,13-3)
3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. W(82-57)(23-7,14-3)
3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. L(86-92)(23-8,14-4)

Big 12 Championship
3/13/2014 Texas Tech/Oklahoma State Kansas City, Mo. 2PM ESPN2

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Silock

There was thought behind it. Embiid is gaining control over his emotions. Smart continues to let them dominate him.

There was nothing of the sort. Both were unthinking reactions.

Okay /shrug. And it's not "part of the game" when it's something you can get fined for doing.

They should tell James Harden, Kevin Durant, or LeBron James that the next time they get an and-1 play called by exaggerating minimal contact.

1 week. It was last Saturday. I don't think it's taking precedence at all. It's just topical, especially considering we could play them on Friday. I don't think you have to worry about the team... he's only 2-2 against KU. Hardly enough to get worked up about on that particular front. It's easier to just make fun of his constant dumbassery.

It's not exactly topical at all unless we find them scheduled against us on Thursday (which, as I said earlier, is a distinct possibility if KU loses today). The extended and drawn out bitch fest is just indicative of how much this one guy has gotten to some of you.

Of course, the irony of it all is that he's exactly the kind of player KU could use this particular season (an incredibly self-motivated tenacious competitor at the PG spot who plays elite defense and has a knack for closing out games).

[Silock]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

There was nothing of the sort. Both were unthinking reactions.

No.

They should tell James Harden, Kevin Durant, or LeBron James that the next time they get an and-1 play called by exaggerating minimal contact.

Smart exaggerates no contact at all.

The extended and drawn out bitch fest is just indicative of how much this one guy has gotten to some of you.

And your constant need to defend him no matter what is an indication of . . . what?

Of course, the irony of it all that he's exactly the kind of player KU could use this particular season (an incredibly self-motivated tenacious competitor at the PG spot who plays elite defense and has a knack for closing out games).

I'd take him in a heartbeat. If he didn't flop.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Silock

No.

Yes, I'm afraid so.

Smart exaggerates no contact at all.

Those guys do that too. I'm always amazed on replays how the players on some of those exaggerated "fouls" weren't even touched.

And your constant need to defend him no matter what is an indication of . . . what?

My lack of hatred for him probably. Doesn't somebody have to maintain a sense of decorum around here during these bitch fests?

I'd take him in a heartbeat. If he didn't flop.

KU could use a few more calls their way too. It never hurts in the tournament.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Yes, I'm afraid so.

You are wrong.

Those guys do that too. I'm always amazed on replays how the players on some of those exaggerated "fouls" weren't even touched.

Doesn't make it right, nor does it make it "part of the game." We've been over it, though, and your position is not going to change, nor is mine. Shame, though, because I know you're smarter than that.

My lack of hatred for him probably. Doesn't somebody have to maintain a sense of decorum around here during these bitch fests?

That's . . . not it.

KU could use a few more calls their way too. It never hurts in the tournament.

This has not been our problem. We just need our best players to not give unwarranted nut taps to the opposition. Or just not to play like they're brain-dead. Getting calls has never been the issue.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Silock

You are wrong.

I'm just not, though. That's what a reflex action is.

Doesn't make it right, nor does it make it "part of the game." We've been over it, though, and your position is not going to change, nor is mine. Shame, though, because I know you're smarter than that.

Until they create a diving/exaggeration foul to disincentivize, it very much remains a part of the game.

That's . . . not it.

Oh, I think the fact that I feel differently about Smart than the haters has quite a lot to do with it.

This has not been our problem. We just need our best players to not give unwarranted nut taps to the opposition. Or just not to play like they're brain-dead. Getting calls has never been the issue.

I'm just saying even that could help. Getting a call or two can go along way in close games in neutral court situations.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Smart flops more than anyone in the league. That's a fact.

He does it because he's a bitch. We had a guy that flopped a lot growing up and playing in HS. We all called him bitch. And that's what Marcus Smart is...he's a bitch. So much so he claimed a fan called him a ****er in effort to try to save his ass from acting like a god damn street thug by putting his hands on a fan in the stands on live national TV when he was being taunted. Oh you mean he didn't call him a ****er and that was all made up by Smart? Oh well I'm sure he's sorry and just acted out of character and I'm sure he's learned his lesson.

Yeah...whatever...he's a shit head.

He also claimed Bill Self said they were going to cut down the nets in Stillwater if they won there. Hes a flopper in real life, everyday life and on the basketball court. Im done talking about Smart for right now though. Ill wait until we play them in the B12 tournament

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by BWillie

He also claimed Bill Self said they were going to cut down the nets in Stillwater if they won there. Hes a flopper in real life, everyday life and on the basketball court. Im done talking about Smart for right now though. Ill wait until we play them in the B12 tournament

Don't forget to bring out the jersey then.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Don't forget to bring out the jersey then.

Ill be there down at the Sprint Center enjoying myself with other KU fans, itll be a blast. Im sure youll be at the hospital with Marcus Smart induced priapism after witnessing his record setting 10th flop in one single game.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You don't have to like Smart's flopping, but you should at least be capable of understand why he does it (and capable of admitting that it does help his team win). Unless changes are made to start giving out fouls for exaggeration (instead of there being an incentive), it is part of the game of basketball as it stands.


There is no argument that's been presented. All I see is a bunch of agitated KU fans upset that Marcus Smart has beaten their team twice in two years using tactics they didn't like. If he didn't do that, he wouldn't even be a talking point in this thread nor would the word hate be being used to describe feelings about him. As always, I'm totally capable of admitting my bias here. But that clearly goes both ways in this situation.

I've said I understand why he does it all along. It's debatable whether the level he's taken it to helps more times than it doesn't, but of course it helps at times.

Exactly my point. If you don't understand the several points made so far beyond 'omg I hate Marcus Smart', you're either not trying to understand for whatever reason or simply trolling. And it's clearly not just a KU thing. Hell, I've even mentioned a few times that he took the KU game in Stillwater into his own hands the best way he can and looked pretty damn good doing it after clowning around for the first half. I'll take that player on my team any day. Butthurt doesn't explain how two of the suggested results when you start typing 'Marcus Smart' in Google are 'Marcus Smart flop' and 'Marcus Smart flopping'. He's been asked about it multiple times and it's brought up during OSU games several times.

[O.city]

There aren't going to be rule changes to help alleviate it, he's just going to dvlop a reputation that officials will tend to go the other way when they see him do it. Or so they say he will.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I'm just not, though. That's what a reflex action is.

But that isn't a reflex. I've played physical contact sports all my life. Never once have I been shoved and involuntarily looked up and slapped someone in the face because of a little bump. He got bumped, got mad, and slapped a dude. He can't control his emotions.

[Ceej]

Originally Posted by Silock

But that isn't a reflex. I've played physical contact sports all my life. Never once have I been shoved and involuntarily looked up and slapped someone in the face because of a little bump. He got bumped, got mad, and slapped a dude. He can't control his emotions.

No truer words have been posted.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Silock

But that isn't a reflex. I've played physical contact sports all my life. Never once have I been shoved and involuntarily looked up and slapped someone in the face because of a little bump. He got bumped, got mad, and slapped a dude. He can't control his emotions.

Response to a stimulus (the push) and then response without conscious thought (the tame slap that's been gradually turned into some vicious attack). Same thing happened to Embiid when he gave a shot to Nino Williams (and then I believe it happened a game after that too when he got hit in the face and then swung his arms, but didn't make contact). Neither was a calculated decision by either player and clearly fits the definition that I posted.

And when I played sports competitively (particularly hockey), I can often remember giving people shots without thinking about it if they checked me. There was nothing pre-considered about it, it was just an instinctive thing to getting hit.

[Bearcat]

Sounds like an emotional response to me. And not being in control of it sounds like not being in control of it.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Exactly my point. If you don't understand the several points made so far beyond 'omg I hate Marcus Smart', you're either not trying to understand for whatever reason or simply trolling. And it's clearly not just a KU thing.

Oh, I understand the points. There's an intense dislike of flopping here. I just think that for most KU fans petty hatred has pervaded through all of it.