Matt Barkley...

[Buehler445]

Hate him at 1.1, but I'd love him in the 4th. Why did he fall so far? Would he be a good pickup in the 4th?

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

lost his competition badge by week two against Foles & Vick.

he isn't even a better option than Bray, who I do not care for.

Also just because he loses out in competition during preseason his rookie year doesn't mean Matt Barkley wouldn't be a better option down the road when he improves his game. The idea is to improve and work hard to get better and keep at it.

[Ace Gunner]

I like Chip Kelly, smart guy. But Vick will turn the ball over and eventually Chip will go to Foles, once Foles gets up to speed. or Vick will get creamed and Chip will be forced to put Foles in.

I don't think any of the QB's in this year's class is worth a shit at this level. EJ is possibly the best of them and he's got a huge uphill to climb.

JMO. we shall see.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

I like Chip Kelly, smart guy. But Vick will turn the ball over and eventually Chip will go to Foles, once Foles gets up to speed. or Vick will get creamed and Chip will be forced to put Foles in.

I don't think any of the QB's in this year's class is worth a shit at this level. EJ is possibly the best of them and he's got a huge uphill to climb.

JMO. we shall see.

They would have been better options than Alex Smith and we could have kept our 2nd or 3rd round pick next years draft to use and possibly look and take another quarterback if need be. We wouldn't have to be stuck just on this years draft class and we wouldn't be stuck with Alex ****ing Smith.

We could have had a quarterback competition with a pick this year and next years class.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

They would have been better options than Alex Smith and we could have kept our 2nd or 3rd round pick next years draft to use and possibly look and take another quarterback if need be. We wouldn't have to be stuck just on this years draft class and we wouldn't be stuck with Alex ****ing Smith.

We could have had a quarterback competition with a pick this year and next years class.

Because, you know, our fortunes depend on that particular pick. We are doomed because we don't have THAT pick which of course would have been a HOF player.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Because, you know, our fortunes depend on that particular pick. We are doomed because we don't have THAT pick which of course would have been a HOF player.

I'm not saying anything about a HOF player WTF?? They have to prove themselves after they get drafted if they don't then you move on and try again.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

They would have been better options than Alex Smith and we could have kept our 2nd or 3rd round pick next years draft to use and possibly look and take another quarterback if need be. We wouldn't have to be stuck just on this years draft class and we wouldn't be stuck with Alex ****ing Smith.

We could have had a quarterback competition with a pick this year and next years class.

better options, really? So, if we'd have gone 1-15 with another year of historically inept QB play, an empty stadium, wasting another year of Charles, Bowe, Hali, DJ, Flowers, etc.'s careers-that would be a better option? Because at this point in time, not a single one of the drafted QB's look like anything other than dogshit.

This isn't Madden. You can't just tank a year on autoplay and try again next year.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

better options, really? So, if we'd have gone 1-15 with another year of historically inept QB play, an empty stadium, wasting another year of Charles, Bowe, Hali, DJ, Flowers, etc.'s careers-that would be a better option? Because at this point in time, not a single one of the drafted QB's look like anything other than dogshit.

This isn't Madden. You can't just tank a year on autoplay and try again next year.

So is it any better to go 6-10 with Alex Smith?

[Rasputin]

All right we will see if Matt Barkley or EJ Manuel have better careers than Alex Smith.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I'm not saying anything about a HOF player WTF?? They have to prove themselves after they get drafted if they don't then you move on and try again.

With the way draft picks are viewed here one is led to believe that each one will net us one. We essentially gave up a second rounder for Smith, yet with the whining going on an impartial observer would think we gave up a draft or two for him. Smith is most likely not the answer, but we did not give up that much for him.

If we are to use the lack of first round QB argument and hold it over the head of every GM we get, then we have to look at our 2nd round pick failures as well.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

better options, really? So, if we'd have gone 1-15 with another year of historically inept QB play, an empty stadium, wasting another year of Charles, Bowe, Hali, DJ, Flowers, etc.'s careers-that would be a better option? Because at this point in time, not a single one of the drafted QB's look like anything other than dogshit.

This isn't Madden. You can't just tank a year on autoplay and try again next year.

Nor can you turn off the salary cap or make ridiculous trades.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by tredadda

With the way draft picks are viewed here one is led to believe that each one will net us one. We essentially gave up a second rounder for Smith, yet with the whining going on an impartial observer would think we gave up a draft or two for him. Smith is most likely not the answer, but we did not give up that much for him.

If we are to use the lack of first round QB argument and hold it over the head of every GM we get, then we have to look at our 2nd round pick failures as well.

That second round pick can be used as currency to move up in the draft if needed. Also this is Dorsey chance at draft picks how was his second round picks for Green Bay look? Judge his history with picks that way.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

All right we will see if Matt Barkley or EJ Manuel have better careers than Alex Smith.

They might and they might not, it is all a crap shoot. Sure things bust and UDFAs make the Pro Bowl. Just to draft a QB that the team does not believe in just for the sake of doing it is foolish. And what if they had drafted a QB like Barkley or Nassib in RD1? Would you have been happy?

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

That second round pick can be used as currency to move up in the draft if needed. Also this is Dorsey chance at draft picks how was his second round picks for Green Bay look? Judge his history with picks that way.

Fair enough, but then you can't hold our past GMs inability to draft a 1st round QB over the head of Dorsey.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Fair enough, but then you can't hold our past GMs inability to draft a 1st round QB over the head of Dorsey.

For not drafting one yes I can. It's his job to better the team for long term and build a winner with.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by tredadda

They might and they might not, it is all a crap shoot. Sure things bust and UDFAs make the Pro Bowl. Just to draft a QB that the team does not believe in just for the sake of doing it is foolish. And what if they had drafted a QB like Barkley or Nassib in RD1? Would you have been happy?

It's risky of course it's all a risk and no damn guarantee in the NFL. I know it's always a risk with every player but to do the same damn thing and expect different results is definition of CRAZY or INSANITY.