Chiefs Pioli Deserves Props - Page 5

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 09:12 AM

The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed.

We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them.

After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected.

Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it.

After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team.

If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come.

Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for.

In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well.

Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either.

We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.

Marcellus · 04-29-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Pioli is one horrible decision from being a very good GM.

Unfortunately, he failed on the most important position.

I am not a big Pioli fan though I am not completely sold on his failure just yet, but I am heavily leaning that way.To me this years draft of Poe will be a huge step one way or another depending on how things shake out.

If Poe answers the NT issue we have a very very good defense.

Problem is that gives Cassel a crutch, especially if we have a great running game again like in 2010.

We could see years of Martyball like football in a league that throws it around like crazy.

**DeezNutz** · 04-29-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

By that logic, we never will win a playoff game.

Have faith. /'93

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-29-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Satanic Goat

I was right that he was going to be fired.

I was right that he sucked cock.

Until he gets another HC gig and succeeds, I'm ****ing right.

This is hilarious considering how much you used to slobber over Haley.

If not for injuries, the Chiefs win 10 and Haley is not fired.

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 10:35 AM

I don't understand those who don't like this draft because of the lack of instant starters. Who the hell are we going to bench? I think there are two places for rookies to start, NT and Guard.

DE? Nope, Dorsey and T-Jax are starters and former top 5 draft picks. Might not have lived up to their billing but there was nobody in this draft that would have started over them.

LB? I think Hali, Houston, and DJ have their spots cemented in the starting line up. There is a spot open at ILB but Belcher an Siler are not bad options. The only guy who would have started over them went in the top ten. Maybe Hightower would have been an upgrade but we would still have a gapping hole at NT

I could go on and on, but there were few people that we could have drafted that were going to make an instant impact on this team. Besides QB and NT, there were not many players who were going to get a chance to start for the Chiefs. Its not a bad problem to have.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-29-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I am not a big Pioli fan though I am not completely sold on his failure just yet, but I am heavily leaning that way.To me this years draft of Poe will be a huge step one way or another depending on how things shake out.

If Poe answers the NT issue we have a very very good defense.

Problem is that gives Cassel a crutch, especially if we have a great running game again like in 2010.

We could see years of Martyball like football in a league that throws it around like crazy.

I was going to start a thread about this book, but I'll just link it here.

One of the first things he does is rip the Chiefs for thinking they can win games running the football and playing defense.

Mentions that we were the only team in the league to run the ball more than pass, even when we were losing.

http://www.amazon.com/Game-Plan-Appr...5717301&sr=1-5

Skyy God · 04-29-2012, 10:37 AM

Pioli deserves a kick in the balls. So you identify G as a key position of need? Fine, trade back, get am extra 3rd, and take Steve Hutchinson 2.0.

**the Talking Can** · 04-29-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Pioli is one horrible decision from being a very good GM.

Unfortunately, he failed on the most important position.

he failed hiring a coach and picking a QB

that's two...the two most important decisions

Marcellus · 04-29-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I was going to start a thread about this book, but I'll just link it here.

One of the first things he does is rip the Chiefs for thinking they can win games running the football and playing defense.

Mentions that we were the only team in the league to run the ball more than pass, even when we were losing.

http://www.amazon.com/Game-Plan-Appr...5717301&sr=1-5

I will have to give that a read. Interesting.

We run the ball more than throw it, which means we don't trust the QB, yet don't replace the QB?

At some point they have to see the insanity in that right?

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-29-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

he failed hiring a coach and picking a QB

that's two...the two most important decisions

Haley or Crennel?

As I already mentioned, erase those injuries and they win 10 and he's not fired.

**the Talking Can** · 04-29-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Haley or Crennel?

As I already mentioned, erase those injuries and they win 10 and he's not fired.

and if my uncle had boobs....

pioli had to fire the coach he hired, mid-season....that's a gigantic failure

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-29-2012, 10:43 AM

Also, if you have a great QB, does it really matter who is HC?

See: Indianapoils Colts

**BigRedChief** · 04-29-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wasn't saying that at all.

Simply making a point that we had the services of those two players in 2010, and we were ass raped in our own building.

Curious as to what he thinks changed in one offseason that makes him think we would have won a playoff game.

I know and like BRC in "real life", but this quote sums up the fanbase.

We're not that far away due to the quality of the division.

Great, we win a weak division.

Then what?

Continue to settle for mediocrity, according to most.

I realize we don't see each other in person too often since I'm in Florida but as my fellow Chief fans that I watch games with will attest, I trash Cassell all game. He's just not the answer for a SB win.

I think we are a good QB away from having a "real" chance at a SB. The weak division gives us a chance until we get a good QB. I'm not satisified, just a realistic apprasil. I firmly believe we would have beat Pitt in a home playoff game last year, if we had won one more game.

Chiefshrink · 04-29-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I don't understand those who don't like this draft because of the lack of instant starters. Who the hell are we going to bench? I think there are two places for rookies to start, NT and Guard.

DE? Nope, Dorsey and T-Jax are starters and former top 5 draft picks. Might not have lived up to their billing but there was nobody in this draft that would have started over them.

LB? I think Hali, Houston, and DJ have their spots cemented in the starting line up. There is a spot open at ILB but Belcher an Siler are not bad options. The only guy who would have started over them went in the top ten. Maybe Hightower would have been an upgrade but we would still have a gapping hole at NT

I could go on and on, but there were few people that we could have drafted that were going to make an instant impact on this team. Besides QB and NT, there were not many players who were going to get a chance to start for the Chiefs. Its not a bad problem to have.

You make waaaaaaaay too much sense INDEED !

Hammock Parties · 04-29-2012, 11:00 AM

Here are some props for Pioli.

Now leave, bitch.

**BossChief** · 04-29-2012, 11:01 AM

I'd give this whole draft and next years first and second to have moved up for RG3 or given up what it takes to move up to 6 to draft Tannehill.

Also, I think it's hilarious that you guys clown Pioli for not getting a quarterback, but the same people that are doing that wanted nothing to do with Tannehill or Orton (except TTC who seemed ok with making a move for Tannehill iirc)

If we are to be fair, which quarterbacks would have made you guys feel better THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE THAN STANZI?

04-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1698179	Pioli Deserves Props The NFL draft is a lot like Christmas morning. There is a lot of anticipation leading up to the big day, and when the time finally arrives to see what’s under the tree for us we can sometimes be a little disappointed. We all remember the Christmas that we got everything we wanted. For Chiefs fans that was last year. We got a QB, WR, DBs, and LBs. Heck we even liked the more practical gifts like a Rodney Hudson. Frankly, the 2011 draft gave us a lot to play with, and we used them. After a big year like 2011, some of you seem down. Sure we got the big present we always talk about (NT), but its’ not as cool as we thought it would be. We also ended up with some more practical gifts than we expected. Here is how I view this draft, and to be honest I’m pretty stoked about it. After having a draft like we did in 2011 where we seemed to hit on almost every pick, it wasn’t necessary for the Chiefs to snag additional pass rushers to sit behind guys like Hali and Houston. While we are still a little shallow when it comes to the safety position and could use some depth at center, the Chiefs are well positioned. In fact, I think the practicality of the 2012 Chiefs draft will allow them the flexibility in future drafts to aggressively seek out play makers to add to this team. If there is one thing that I think Pioli deserves credit for, it’s rebuilding the Chiefs offensive live. While Albert was already hear when he arrived, Pioli not only filled a glaring hole at RT when he signed Eric Winston, but his last three drafts has set the Chiefs on a course to maintain a quality offensive line for years to come. Many on this board recoiled at any suggestion that the Chiefs should use their first round pick on a lineman. After all the heated debates about the value of DeCastro, Pioli seems to agree with those who don’t want to invest first round picks on the line. Maybe instead of bitching that we didn’t have the Steelers’ draft, some of you should praise Pioli for doing exactly what you advocated for. In the last three years, Pioli has taken four offensive linemen in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of the draft. Asamoah and Hudson are now starters. Jeff Allen is going to push Ryan Lilja for a starting spot at guard, but is more likely to be seasoned for a year before finding a permanent home on the life. I know it’s sometimes hard to get excited about the offensive line, but Pioli obviously has a process that seems to be working really well. Picking back-to-back tackles isn’t as exciting as drafting guys like Justin Houston or Javier Arenas, but it feeds a system that can produce quality linemen that allows the Chiefs not use first round picks on offensive tackles, guards, or centers. It also means that the Chiefs will not be forced to commit free agent dollars on those positions either. We are lucky to have landed Winston this offseason. Without him there would probably be no Poe. I like how Pioli is building this team. While I continue to be frustrated about Cassel, finding a franchise QB is never easy. We have had three solid drafts under Pioli and we can already see the results. Yes we need to find a QB, but at least we are building a strong team while we continue to look for him.
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04-29-2012, 10:35 AM	#64
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1698179	I don't understand those who don't like this draft because of the lack of instant starters. Who the hell are we going to bench? I think there are two places for rookies to start, NT and Guard. DE? Nope, Dorsey and T-Jax are starters and former top 5 draft picks. Might not have lived up to their billing but there was nobody in this draft that would have started over them. LB? I think Hali, Houston, and DJ have their spots cemented in the starting line up. There is a spot open at ILB but Belcher an Siler are not bad options. The only guy who would have started over them went in the top ten. Maybe Hightower would have been an upgrade but we would still have a gapping hole at NT I could go on and on, but there were few people that we could have drafted that were going to make an instant impact on this team. Besides QB and NT, there were not many players who were going to get a chance to start for the Chiefs. Its not a bad problem to have.
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04-29-2012, 10:37 AM	#66
Skyy God 11-5, baby Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Livin the dream Casino cash: $2191557	Pioli deserves a kick in the balls. So you identify G as a key position of need? Fine, trade back, get am extra 3rd, and take Steve Hutchinson 2.0.
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04-29-2012, 10:43 AM	#71
BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Also, if you have a great QB, does it really matter who is HC? See: Indianapoils Colts
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04-29-2012, 11:00 AM	#74
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4750478	Here are some props for Pioli. Now leave, bitch. __________________ Chiefs game films
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04-29-2012, 11:01 AM	#75
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1914088	I'd give this whole draft and next years first and second to have moved up for RG3 or given up what it takes to move up to 6 to draft Tannehill. Also, I think it's hilarious that you guys clown Pioli for not getting a quarterback, but the same people that are doing that wanted nothing to do with Tannehill or Orton (except TTC who seemed ok with making a move for Tannehill iirc) If we are to be fair, which quarterbacks would have made you guys feel better THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE THAN STANZI? __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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