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Global Cooling, Could this be real?

This is probably another climate Change scam like the last one. Don't buy this stuff on face value.


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To The Horror Of Global Warming Alarmists, Global Cooling Is Here

Around 1250 A.D., historical records show, ice packs began showing up farther south in the North Atlantic. Glaciers also began expanding on Greenland, soon to threaten Norse settlements on the island. From 1275 to 1300 A.D., glaciers began expanding more broadly, according to radiocarbon dating of plants killed by the glacier growth. The period known today as the Little Ice Age was just starting to poke through.

Summers began cooling in Northern Europe after 1300 A.D., negatively impacting growing seasons, as reflected in the Great Famine of 1315 to 1317. Expanding glaciers and ice cover spreading across Greenland began driving the Norse settlers out. The last, surviving, written records of the Norse Greenland settlements, which had persisted for centuries, concern a marriage in 1408 A.D. in the church of Hvalsey, today the best preserved Norse ruin.

Colder winters began regularly freezing rivers and canals in Great Britain, the Netherlands and Northern France, with both the Thames in London and the Seine in Paris frozen solid annually. The first River Thames Frost Fair was held in 1607. In 1607-1608, early European settlers in North America reported ice persisting on Lake Superior until June. In January, 1658, a Swedish army marched across the ice to invade Copenhagen. By the end of the 17th century, famines had spread from northern France, across Norway and Sweden, to Finland and Estonia.


Reflecting its global scope, evidence of the Little Ice Age appears in the Southern Hemisphere as well. Sediment cores from Lake Malawi in southern Africa show colder weather from 1570 to 1820. A 3,000 year temperature reconstruction based on varying rates of stalagmite growth in a cave in South Africa also indicates a colder period from 1500 to 1800. A 1997 study comparing West Antarctic ice cores with the results of the Greenland Ice Sheet Project Two (GISP2) indicate a global Little Ice Age affecting the two ice sheets in tandem.

The Siple Dome, an ice dome roughly 100 km long and 100 km wide, about 100 km east of the Siple Coast of Antartica, also reflects effects of the Little Ice Age synchronously with the GISP2 record, as do sediment cores from the Bransfield Basin of the Antarctic Peninsula. Oxygen/isotope analysis from the Pacific Islands indicates a 1.5 degree Celsius temperature decline between 1270 and 1475 A.D.

The Franz Josef glacier on the west side of the Southern Alps of New Zealand advanced sharply during the period of the Little Ice Age, actually invading a rain forest at its maximum extent in the early 1700s. The Mueller glacier on the east side of New Zealand’s Southern Alps expanded to its maximum extent at roughly the same time.

Ice cores from the Andeas mountains in South America show a colder period from 1600 to 1800. Tree ring data from Patagonia in South America show cold periods from 1270 to 1380 and from 1520 to 1670. Spanish explorers noted the expansion of the San Rafael Glacier in Chile from 1675 to 1766, which continued into the 19th century.

The height of the Little Ice Age is generally dated as 1650 to 1850 A.D. The American Revolutionary Army under General George Washington shivered at Valley Forge in the winter of 1777-78, and New York harbor was frozen in the winter of 1780. Historic snowstorms struck Lisbon, Portugal in 1665, 1744 and 1886. Glaciers in Glacier National Park in Montana advanced until the late 18th or early 19th centuries. The last River Thames Frost Fair was held in 1814. The Little Ice Age phased out during the middle to late 19th century.

The Little Ice Age, following the historically warm temperatures of the Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about AD 950 to 1250, has been attributed to natural cycles in solar activity, particularly sunspots. A period of sharply lower sunspot activity known as the Wolf Minimum began in 1280 and persisted for 70 years until 1350. That was followed by a period of even lower sunspot activity that lasted 90 years from 1460 to 1550 known as the Sporer Minimum. During the period 1645 to 1715, the low point of the Little Ice Age, the number of sunspots declined to zero for the entire time. This is known as the Maunder Minimum, named after English astronomer Walter Maunder. That was followed by the Dalton Minimum from 1790 to 1830, another period of well below normal sunspot activity.

The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

Those ocean temperature cycles, and the continued recovery from the Little Ice Age, are primarily why global temperatures rose from 1915 until 1945, when CO2 emissions were much lower than in recent years. The change to a cold ocean temperature cycle, primarily the PDO, is the main reason that global temperatures declined from 1945 until the late 1970s, despite the soaring CO2 emissions during that time from the postwar industrialization spreading across the globe.

The 20 to 30 year ocean temperature cycles turned back to warm from the late 1970s until the late 1990s, which is the primary reason that global temperatures warmed during this period. But that warming ended 15 years ago, and global temperatures have stopped increasing since then, if not actually cooled, even though global CO2 emissions have soared over this period. As The Economist magazine reported in March, “The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO2 put there by humanity since 1750.” Yet, still no warming during that time. That is because the CO2 greenhouse effect is weak and marginal compared to natural causes of global temperature changes.

At first the current stall out of global warming was due to the ocean cycles turning back to cold. But something much more ominous has developed over this period. Sunspots run in 11 year short term cycles, with longer cyclical trends of 90 and even 200 years. The number of sunspots declined substantially in the last 11 year cycle, after flattening out over the previous 20 years. But in the current cycle, sunspot activity has collapsed. NASA’s Science News report for January 8, 2013 states,

“Indeed, the sun could be on the threshold of a mini-Maunder event right now. Ongoing Solar Cycle 24 [the current short term 11 year cycle] is the weakest in more than 50 years. Moreover, there is (controversial) evidence of a long-term weakening trend in the magnetic field strength of sunspots. Matt Penn and William Livingston of the National Solar Observatory predict that by the time Solar Cycle 25 arrives, magnetic fields on the sun will be so weak that few if any sunspots will be formed. Independent lines of research involving helioseismology and surface polar fields tend to support their conclusion.”

That is even more significant because NASA’s climate science has been controlled for years by global warming hysteric James Hansen, who recently announced his retirement.

But this same concern is increasingly being echoed worldwide. The Voice of Russia reported on April 22, 2013,

“Global warming which has been the subject of so many discussions in recent years, may give way to global cooling. According to scientists from the Pulkovo Observatory in St.Petersburg, solar activity is waning, so the average yearly temperature will begin to decline as well. Scientists from Britain and the US chime in saying that forecasts for global cooling are far from groundless.”

That report quoted Yuri Nagovitsyn of the Pulkovo Observatory saying, “Evidently, solar activity is on the decrease. The 11-year cycle doesn’t bring about considerable climate change – only 1-2%. The impact of the 200-year cycle is greater – up to 50%. In this respect, we could be in for a cooling period that lasts 200-250 years.” In other words, another Little Ice Age.

The German Herald reported on March 31, 2013,

“German meteorologists say that the start of 2013 is now the coldest in 208 years - and now German media has quoted Russian scientist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov from the St. Petersburg Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory [saying this] is proof as he said earlier that we are heading for a "Mini Ice Age." Talking to German media the scientist who first made his prediction in 2005 said that after studying sunspots and their relationship with climate change on Earth, we are now on an ‘unavoidable advance towards a deep temperature drop.’”

Faith in Global Warming is collapsing in formerly staunch Europe following increasingly severe winters which have now started continuing into spring. Christopher Booker explained in The Sunday Telegraph on April 27, 2013,

“Here in Britain, where we had our fifth freezing winter in a row, the Central England Temperature record – according to an expert analysis on the US science blog Watts Up With That – shows that in this century, average winter temperatures have dropped by 1.45C, more than twice as much as their rise between 1850 and 1999, and twice as much as the entire net rise in global temperatures recorded in the 20th century.”


A news report from India (The Hindu April 22, 2013) stated, “March in Russia saw the harshest frosts in 50 years, with temperatures dropping to –25° Celsius in central parts of the country and –45° in the north. It was the coldest spring month in Moscow in half a century….Weathermen say spring is a full month behind schedule in Russia.” The news report summarized,

“Russia is famous for its biting frosts but this year, abnormally icy weather also hit much of Europe, the United States, China and India. Record snowfalls brought Kiev, capital of Ukraine, to a standstill for several days in late March, closed roads across many parts of Britain, buried thousands of sheep beneath six-metre deep snowdrifts in Northern Ireland, and left more than 1,000,000 homes without electricity in Poland. British authorities said March was the second coldest in its records dating back to 1910. China experienced the severest winter weather in 30 years and New Delhi in January recorded the lowest temperature in 44 years.”

Booker adds, “Last week it was reported that 3,318 places in the USA had recorded their lowest temperatures for this time of year since records began. Similar record cold was experienced by places in every province of Canada. So cold has the Russian winter been that Moscow had its deepest snowfall in 134 years of observations.”

Britain’s Met Office, an international cheerleading headquarters for global warming hysteria, did concede last December that there would be no further warming at least through 2017, which would make 20 years with no global warming. That reflects grudging recognition of the newly developing trends. But that reflects as well growing divergence between the reality of real world temperatures and the projections of the climate models at the foundation of the global warming alarmism of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Since those models have never been validated, they are not science at this point, but just made up fantasies. That is why, “In the 12 years to 2011, 11 out of 12 [global temperature]forecasts [of the Met Office] were too high — and… none were colder than [resulted],” as BBC climate correspondent Paul Hudson wrote in January.

Global warming was never going to be the problem that the Lysenkoists who have brought down western science made it out to be. Human emissions of CO2 are only 4 to 5% of total global emissions, counting natural causes. Much was made of the total atmospheric concentration of CO2 exceeding 400 parts per million. But if you asked the daffy NBC correspondent who hysterically reported on that what portion of the atmosphere 400 parts per million is, she transparently wouldn’t be able to tell you. One percent of the atmosphere would be 10,000 parts per million. The atmospheric concentrations of CO2 deep in the geologic past were much, much greater than today, yet life survived, and we have no record of any of the catastrophes the hysterics have claimed. Maybe that is because the temperature impact of increased concentrations of CO2 declines logarithmically. That means there is a natural limit to how much increased CO2 can effectively warm the planet, which would be well before any of the supposed climate catastrophes the warming hysterics have tried to use to shut down capitalist prosperity.

Yet, just last week, there was Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson telling us, by way of attempting to tutor Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX), Chairman of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, “For the record, and for the umpteenth time, there is no ‘great amount of uncertainty’ about whether the planet is warming and why.” If you can read, and you have gotten this far in my column, you know why Robinson’s ignorance is just another Washington Post abuse of the First Amendment. Mr. Robinson, let me introduce you to the British Met Office, stalwart of Global Warming “science,” such as it is, which has already publicly confessed that we are already three quarters through 20 years of No Global Warming!

Booker could have been writing about Robinson when he concluded his Sunday Telegraph commentary by writing, “Has there ever in history been such an almighty disconnect between observable reality and the delusions of a political class that is quite impervious to any rational discussion?”

But there is a fundamental problem with the temperature records from this contentious period, when climate science crashed into political science. The land based records, which have been under the control of global warming alarmists at the British Met Office and the Hadley Centre Climate Research Unit, and at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in the U.S., show much more warming during this period than the incorruptible satellite atmosphere temperature records. Those satellite records have been further confirmed by atmospheric weather balloons. But the land based records can be subject to tampering and falsification.
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Old 06-28-2018, 02:00 PM   #91
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I agree that nothing in science should ever be considered settled, but I sure keep hearing that claim about climate science. Obviously some provable, repeatable experiments tend to make some areas of science more or less settled, but climate science isn't one of those areas. We just don't have enough data to make that claim.

I'm not saying the current consensus is wrong. I'm saying we can't really know. And since predictions from climate scientists have varied wildly and none of the predictions that were supposed to have happened by now have actually happened, maybe we shouldn't throw our economy*in the shitter in the name of footing the bill for trying to save the planet while other countries don't do shit.

That said, we shouldn't shit in our own nest. I like living on earth, and I think future generations should get to enjoy it, as well. I wonder how many "save the earth" types drink the shit out of water that comes in plastic bottles and run their AC at meat-freezer temperatures in the summer. And then they get up in my face because I don't think climate science is settled.
There can be no questions. You are simply a denier. Only 100% acceptance of the claim will be allowed.

For the Climate Change zealot, we all must accept that Climate change is real, its all about warming, the data are irrefutable, the causes are mostly man driven, and the solutions must be agreed to. Under no circumstances can you fail in this or you are a denier and uninformed.

The failure of the zealots to win over the masses is a function of horrible optics, terrible spokes persons and no desire to engage in non judgmental two way dialog. To deny that there is an entire industry built around the Climate Change debate is so patently false and intellectually dishonest it is beyond words. Credibility is the lynchpin that they have failed to develop.
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I agree that nothing in science should ever be considered settled, but I sure keep hearing that claim about climate science. Obviously some provable, repeatable experiments tend to make some areas of science more or less settled, but climate science isn't one of those areas. We just don't have enough data to make that claim.
NASA says we do. Again, what scientific entity says we don't have enough data to make that claim? What are you basing that statement from? The only thing you've referenced is people in the past making crazy claims that didn't come true. But you don't even reference who made the claim or what exactly it was. What makes you think we don't have enough data?

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I'm not saying the current consensus is wrong. I'm saying we can't really know. And since predictions from climate scientists have varied wildly and none of the predictions that were supposed to have happened by now have actually happened, maybe we shouldn't throw our economy*in the shitter in the name of footing the bill for trying to save the planet while other countries don't do shit.

That said, we shouldn't shit in our own nest. I like living on earth, and I think future generations should get to enjoy it, as well. I wonder how many "save the earth" types drink the shit out of water that comes in plastic bottles and run their AC at meat-freezer temperatures in the summer. And then they get up in my face because I don't think climate science is settled.
Again, what are you basing your opinion on? And who is recommending throwing the economy in the shitter? Bill for what?

Every single other country in the world is actually a member of Paris Climate Agreement. You know... the global agreement created specifically to do something about climate change? So you have that backwards. The US is now the only country not doing shit.
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NASA says we do. Again, what scientific entity says we don't have enough data to make that claim? What are you basing that statement from? The only thing you've referenced is people in the past making crazy claims that didn't come true. But you don't even reference who made the claim or what exactly it was. What makes you think we don't have enough data?



Again, what are you basing your opinion on? And who is recommending throwing the economy in the shitter? Bill for what?

Every single other country in the world is actually a member of Paris Climate Agreement. You know... the global agreement created specifically to do something about climate change? So you have that backwards. The US is now the only country not doing shit.
NASA can't even get back for a moon landing because they say they destroyed all the plans. Never A Straight Answer
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NASA says we do. Again, what scientific entity says we don't have enough data to make that claim? What are you basing that statement from? The only thing you've referenced is people in the past making crazy claims that didn't come true. But you don't even reference who made the claim or what exactly it was. What makes you think we don't have enough data?



Again, what are you basing your opinion on? And who is recommending throwing the economy in the shitter? Bill for what?

Every single other country in the world is actually a member of Paris Climate Agreement. You know... the global agreement created specifically to do something about climate change? So you have that backwards. The US is now the only country not doing shit.
We don't have enough data because climate has been changing for a hell of a lot longer than the less than 100 years we have been keeping accurate measurements. The sun also plays a big factor in the climate. And again, I haven't said they are ****ing wrong. I said it isn't settled. But apparently even though you say that science is never settled, apparently you don't really ****ing believe that.

And the Paris Climate agreement kind of a big "**** you" to the USA. Everyone wants to join if we are doing most of the heavy lifting.












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I would rather this whole focus on the environment be directed towards "pollution" of all kinds, especially the ocean, lakes and rivers around the globe.

I think if it would have been a pollution focus rather than a "global warming" from Leftists scientists, it would have been an easier sell and not become so political.

When people like Al Gore lead the charge and he has made hundreds of millions, it kills the message whether valid or not.
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We don't have enough data because climate has been changing for a hell of a lot longer than the less than 100 years we have been keeping accurate measurements. The sun also plays a big factor in the climate. And again, I haven't said they are ****ing wrong. I said it isn't settled. But apparently even though you say that science is never settled, apparently you don't really ****ing believe that.

And the Paris Climate agreement kind of a big "**** you" to the USA. Everyone wants to join if we are doing most of the heavy lifting.


Again, who besides you is saying we don't have enough data? Your old magazine covers are nice and all, but that's not science and you know it. Can you link one actual single scientific entity that agrees with that belief? Just a single one that remotely agrees with your position? That shouldn't be difficult. Show me one. Just a single one. You say you acknowledge that they are not wrong, but what you continue to fail to show is why you have any reason to believe they would be wrong. You have zero proof of any alternative.

Meanwhile, NASA scientists agree that climate change is something currently happening and we have enough data to know that it's an issue that needs to be addressed. Can you produce any single source that argues what NASA says with any evidence? Just a single one? Nope, you cannot.
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Again, who besides you is saying we don't have enough data? Your old magazine covers are nice and all, but that's not science and you know it. Can you link one actual single scientific entity that agrees with that belief? Just a single one that remotely agrees with your position? That shouldn't be difficult. Show me one. Just a single one. You say you acknowledge that they are not wrong, but what you continue to fail to show is why you have any reason to believe they would be wrong. You have zero proof of any alternative.

Meanwhile, NASA scientists agree that climate change is something currently happening and we have enough data to know that it's an issue that needs to be addressed. Can you produce any single source that argues what NASA says with any evidence? Just a single one? Nope, you cannot.
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Again, who besides you is saying we don't have enough data? Your old magazine covers are nice and all, but that's not science and you know it. Can you link one actual single scientific entity that agrees with that belief? Just a single one that remotely agrees with your position? That shouldn't be difficult. Show me one. Just a single one. You say you acknowledge that they are not wrong, but what you continue to fail to show is why you have any reason to believe they would be wrong. You have zero proof of any alternative.

Meanwhile, NASA scientists agree that climate change is something currently happening and we have enough data to know that it's an issue that needs to be addressed. Can you produce any single source that argues what NASA says with any evidence? Just a single one? Nope, you cannot.
When you say NASA scientists, are you talking about the diversity hire federal employees indoctrinated at liberal universities who can't put an American in space unless he's riding in a Russian spacecraft?

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I run my mower all the time for just that reason, yet the ice shelf grows.
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Old 06-29-2018, 01:24 AM   #101
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http://www.co2science.org//articles/V13/N47/C2.php

https://www.canadiangeographic.ca/ar...ut-polar-bears

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doom...-barrier-reef/

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https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.3762.pdf


http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new...rtain-warming/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ing_pause.html

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http://ruby.fgcu.edu/courses/twimber...ilo/Debate.pdf

http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/imag...lankovitch.htm

http://www.sciencebits.com/sights-field-trip-milky-way

http://joannenova.com.au/2015/01/is-...g-the-climate/

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfe.../#311518ab4dcf

http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/IASTP/43/

https://globalwarmingsolved.com/data...5_preprint.pdf

http://joannenova.com.au/2015/07/is-...e-two-dynamos/

http://sciencespeak.com/climate-nd-solar.html

https://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/201...re-index-loti/

http://meta-analysis.cz/climate/

https://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/201...media-ignores/

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/a-c...radox-part-ii/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/08/...rgy-imbalance/

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicin...l.pmed.0020124

http://www.lomborg.com/skeptical-environmentalist

http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/09/...epot-round-up/

The IPCC operates in secrecy, leaves out critical pieces of data, relies too heavily on unproven measuring schemes, and tends to make unsupported sensationalist claims that support a politically-motivated, pre-determined agenda.

Chris Landsea, a hurricane expert, resigned from the IPCC after a lead author for the IPCC and its chairman claimed that there would be more intense and more frequent storms as a result of man-made greenhouse gases. In his resignation letter http://www.webcitation.org/6005fkwJv , he wrote “I personally cannot in good faith continue to contribute to a process that I view as both being motivated by pre-conceived agendas and being scientifically unsound.”

There is a growing list of scientists who have resigned from the IPCC* on the grounds that “scientific conclusions are re-written by politicians and presented to the public as valid science.”

The IPCC claims to only use peer-reviewed papers from respected journals, but as Laframboise and a team of volunteers showed, thirty percent of the source material — more than 5,000 articles — for the IPCC reports is not peer-reviewed, and some of it is Greenpeace literature and press releases.

Here http://www.populartechnology.net/200...upporting.html is a list of more than one thousand published peer-reviewed papers questioning the science behind the IPCC reports.

There is a growing list http://www.populartechnology.net/201...ptical-of.html of distinguished climatologists who find no evidence for significant human-induced warming.

The IPCC deliberately manipulates the peer-review process at the top journals*. https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0809/0809.3762.pdf

NASA
As director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) from 1981 to 2013, James Hansen kept his team pumping out papers and articles to help evangelize his views, even though his predictions keep turning out to be wrong. https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/...ience-at-nasa/

Hansen’s former boss, Dr. John S. Theon, now joins the ranks of many ex-NASA employees who believe Hansen is wrong. http://principia-scientific.org/brea...key-role.html/

NASA recently acknowledged this important paper showing how even tiny changes in the sun’s output has dramatic effects on the earth’s temperature*. http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...an_sunclimate/



Not all of these are scientific papers, but a good number of them are. Some are reports on bad science being done on the part of the mainstream climatologists. Other stuff too. And don't think I drained the reservoir here. There are plenty more.

****ing learn to google asshole.

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We were doing most all of that back when Global Cooling was hip. And even when we just wanted cleaner air, good water and less shit in landfills. Hard to imagine those accomplishments are now being linked to the Climate change scam
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I mean.. which ones?
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I mean.. which ones?

Air pollution, auto emissions was a huge deal in the late 60s early 70s.

Water quality was dealt with on a large scale in the late 50's, really ramped up through the 70s

Remember the oil embargo, th lines at gas stations...Energy independence has been a great desire long before Al Gore shit his first ecology turd.

I was in high school when we were reading and learning about deforestation in the jungles of SA and the rapid conversion to farmland as well as knowing the productivity of the converted ground was not sustainable even then

Renewables and recycling ....we used to get 5 cents for ever glass bottle we took back to the grocery store....

If you are so stupid to believe that list is tied to Climate change you really need to stay away from the computer
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