Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs - Page 36

**Rain Man** · 07:49 PM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*1,300, or 1,495 points.

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team.

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.)

**Rain Man** · 04-11-2016, 11:05 PM

Dang it, we're losing Sean Smith, too. That's going to hurt. I've got some gaping holes to fill.

Otter · 04-12-2016, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Dang it, we're losing Sean Smith, too. That's going to hurt. I've got some gaping holes to fill.

You've left yourself wide open with that post and I can't believe I used to live in Harrisburg.

kccrow · 04-20-2016, 11:29 PM

Give my team the name Superior Yetis

**Rain Man** · 04-23-2016, 08:06 PM

Okay, your draft picks are:

1-28 (28th pick)
2-28 (59th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

If you're new, here are the rules for new teams:

1. You'll start out with all of the Chiefs players on their roster EXCEPT the ones that they draft in 2016.

2. You'll draft your own players with the Chiefs' picks. You can take the Chiefs players if you want, but there's no need to do so. It's an honor system, but you should post your draft as soon as possible after the NFL draft. If you do not post a draft before training camp starts, you'll be assigned the Chiefs' actual draft. The most fair process is that you'll post your draft within a week of the actual NFL draft. As an aside, I like to discuss who I was considering with each pick so I can go back later and kick or congratulate myself.

3. You can trade up or down before or after the draft, but see the rules. If you move before the draft, you can just use the famous Jimmy Johnson draft chart. If you move up or down after the draft, you'll have to pay a big penalty as described in the opening post. We do this because after the draft you'll have perfect information about the picks needed to draft your favorite prospect, so it would be easy to game the system. If you want to trade up or trade down, post it and I'll give you an example and some calculations.

4. At the end of training camp, you'll cut your roster to 53 players. There is no injured reserve and no practice squad. You get only 53 players. Again, it's an honor system, but the general rule is to build your roster in a similar matter to an NFL team, so don't keep 8 quarterbacks and 1 offensive lineman.

5. At the end of the season, we review our teams and chat about what we did right or wrong, and where our strengths and weaknesses like. We don't do any competitions or anything at this point. It's just for discussion.

**Rain Man** · 04-30-2016, 11:54 PM

So here's the story. You'll start out with these picks:

1-28 (28th pick)
2-28 (59th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

The Chiefs made two trade downs. If you accept the first one (49ers) and reject the second one (Buccaneers), you get the following picks.

2-6 (37th pick)
2-28 (59th pick)
4-7 (105th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-3 (178th pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)

If you reject the first one (49ers) and accept the second one (Buccaneers), you get the following picks:

1-28 (28th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

If you accept both trades, you get:

2-6 (37th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-7 (105th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick.
6-3 (178th pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)

Of course, you can do your own trade up and trade down scenarios too, subject to the rules that require a discount. Let me know if you're interested and I can calculate your trading points.

**Rain Man** · 05-03-2016, 12:47 AM

Okay, we have some complicated trade decisions this year. Here's the Duluth scenario.

First, we don't have Kelcie McCray on the roster so we can't trade him. Therefore, we start out with the following picks:

1-28 (28th pick)
2-28 (59th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

We will reject the first Chiefs trade down scenario with the 49ers, and we will accept the second one with the Buccaneers (trading our 59th pick for their 74th and 106th picks). This puts us with the following picks:

1-28 (28th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

We will now initiate a trade down with the Bears, as follows:

We give up our 1-28 (28th pick) valued at 660 points x .65 = 429 points.

In return, we get their 2-25 (56th pick), 4-15 (113th pick), and 6-10 (185th pick). Those picks are valued at 340+68+17.4 points = 425.4 points.

That puts our picks as follows:

2-25 (56th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-15 (113th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-25 (162nd pick)
6-10 (185th pick)
6-28 (203rd pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

We will now make a trade up with the Bengals, as follows:

We give up our 5-25 (162nd pick) and 6-28 (203rd pick). These are valued at 26.6*.85 points and 10.2*.85 points for a total of 31.27 points. In return, we will receive their 5-24 (161st pick) and 7-24 (245th pick). These are valued at 27 and 2 points for a total of 29 points.

This now puts us with the following picks:

2-25 (56th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-15 (113th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-24 (161st pick)
6-10 (185th pick)
7-24 (245th pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

These trades follow all the rules because:

- I'm initiating no more than one trade up.
- I'm initiating no more than one trade down (other than a Chiefs trade that I'm accepting)
- When trading down, I'm discounting my draft points by 35 percent and gaining no more than two additional picks and not gaining draft points.
- When trading up, I'm discounting my draft points by 15 percent and gaining no more than two additional picks and not gaining draft points.

So those are my draft choices now. In the next post I'll detail my draft.

DJ's left nut · 05-04-2016, 03:08 PM

Spoiler!

**The Franchise** · 05-04-2016, 04:21 PM

I'll create a team.

Sacramento Sad Sacks.

**Rain Man** · 05-04-2016, 05:22 PM

DJ and I like a couple of the same guys. Barring a last-minute change I'll also be drafting Billings and Westerman.

**Rain Man** · 05-04-2016, 10:20 PM

Per my earlier post, I have the following picks:

2-25 (56th pick)
3-11 (74th pick)
4-8 (106th pick)
4-15 (113th pick)
4-28 (126th pick)
5-24 (161st pick)
6-10 (185th pick)
7-24 (245th pick)
7-28 (249th pick)

Here are my picks:

2-25 (56th pick) - G Cody Whitehair (Bears)

I don't know how my interior line collapsed so badly last year, but I need help. I debated not trading down and taking either Chris Jones or Robert Nkemdiche on the DL, or CB Xavien Howard or DE Noah Spence. It came down to Jones or Whitehair, and Whitehair seems like a safe pick in a big area of need.

3-11 (74th pick) - CB Kendall Fuller (Redskins)

This pick came down to Fuller or Shilique Calhoun. I need a DE badly, but I'm in a 3-4 and wasn't sure that Calhoun would fit without a big talent shuffle. I briefly considered DTs Adolphus Washington and Jason Hargrave, but really need a starting CB and decided that I could go DL later in the draft. Fuller may get a chance early.

4-8 (106th pick) - SS Miles Killebrew (Lions)

This is a bit of a luxury pick. I kind of need a SS, but it wasn't vital at this point. However, I liked Killebrew enough that I decided to spend a pick on him. I really liked Pharoh Cooper as well, but have no need at WR. I also considered DT Hassan Ridgeway.

4-15 (113th pick) - NT Andrew Billings (Bengals)

I hope he works out, because I'm probably giving him a starting job as a 3-4 DE. He was too much potential value to pass up. Again, I considered Pharoh Cooper and Hassan Ridgeway.

4-28 (126th pick) - C Evan Boehm (Cardinals)

I very much wanted RB Jordan Howard here, and considered G Christian Westerman, but in the end I need a center. I was also enamored with CB Zack Sanchez and DE Matt Judon, but went with need.

5-24 (161st pick) - G Christian Westerman (Bengals)

I strongly considered OLB Jatavis Brown and WR Rashard Higgins, but I liked Westerman enough to trade up one spot to get him. I figure between him and Whitehair, I can get a good starter to complement Alex Boone at G, and maybe good depth, too.

6-10 (185th pick) - CB Harlan Miller (Cardinals)

It came down to Harlan versus G Vadal Alexander, but I'd already drafted two guards. I need corner depth.

7-24 (245th pick) - ILB Scooby Wright (Browns)

I don't need an ILB at all, but couldn't pass on Scooby Wright here. He's got a chance to be a low-cost starter in the long run. I didn't really debate anyone else here.

7-28 (249th pick) - CB Kalan Reed (Titans)

We were late in the draft here and I kept hearing that he's a sleeper. So I took him. I didn't really consider anyone else.

I came into the draft with starting holes at LG, DE, and CB, and needed upgrades at C, LT, and SS. I hope that I made good progress toward filling those needs.

DJ's left nut · 05-05-2016, 08:28 AM

Man, we really do like a lot of the same guys.

Fuller was a finalist at 3, I had Boehm picked at 126 until the last minute. I almost took 49ers trade down specifically to get Killebrew but I didn't love the options it left me at 37.

Jatavis Brown and Vadal Alexander were both guys I thought hard about in the later rounds and would've taken Alexander as well had I made the 49ers trade and moved up to the 6th. I had Reed as my last pick (was just going to parrot my comment for Thomas) but then decided that I'd switch it up a bit and see if I couldn't find a UDFA that I liked.

Looks like the only guys you took that weren't in the final 3 of a pick for me were Harlan Miller, Rashard Higgins and Matt Judon (who I must confess I know absolutely nothing about). I didn't really consider Cooper either but only because I thought Billings was a no-brainer there, otherwise he'd have been on the list.

DJ's left nut · 05-05-2016, 08:34 AM

I guess I need to name my team, eh?

Gonna go international here - The Mexico City Herrings

**The Franchise** · 05-05-2016, 09:43 AM

If we accept both trades.....does that mean that we aren't able to complete another trade up or down?

**The Franchise** · 05-05-2016, 10:42 AM

And the link for the trade value chart isn't showing anything. What are we supposed to use?

**Rain Man** · 05-05-2016, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence

If we accept both trades.....does that mean that we aren't able to complete another trade up or down?

Nope, you can initiate one trade up and one trade down independent from accepting or rejecting any actual Chiefs trades.

Just recall the rules that:

Only one trade each way as noted.
You cannot acquire more than two extra picks in a trade.
In a tradedown you must discount your points by 35 percent (multiply by 0.65) and in a tradeup you must discount your points by 15 percent (multiply by 0.85).

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3408491 VARSITY	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 35 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 35 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 850 points. The 10th pick is normally 1,300 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.151,300, or 1,495 points. For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 850 points, but in this game it will be worth 553 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 480 points, so you can get 73 points back from the other team. You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 73 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 05-08-2022 at 07:49 PM..*
Posts: 141,201

04-11-2016, 11:05 PM	#526
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3408491 VARSITY	Dang it, we're losing Sean Smith, too. That's going to hurt. I've got some gaping holes to fill. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
Posts: 141,201

04-20-2016, 11:29 PM	#528
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3327078	Give my team the name Superior Yetis Last edited by kccrow; 09-04-2016 at 09:20 PM.. Reason: changed team name
Posts: 12,557

04-23-2016, 08:06 PM	#529
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3408491 VARSITY	Okay, your draft picks are: 1-28 (28th pick) 2-28 (59th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-25 (162nd pick) 5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick. 6-28 (203rd pick) 7-28 (249th pick) If you're new, here are the rules for new teams: 1. You'll start out with all of the Chiefs players on their roster EXCEPT the ones that they draft in 2016. 2. You'll draft your own players with the Chiefs' picks. You can take the Chiefs players if you want, but there's no need to do so. It's an honor system, but you should post your draft as soon as possible after the NFL draft. If you do not post a draft before training camp starts, you'll be assigned the Chiefs' actual draft. The most fair process is that you'll post your draft within a week of the actual NFL draft. As an aside, I like to discuss who I was considering with each pick so I can go back later and kick or congratulate myself. 3. You can trade up or down before or after the draft, but see the rules. If you move before the draft, you can just use the famous Jimmy Johnson draft chart. If you move up or down after the draft, you'll have to pay a big penalty as described in the opening post. We do this because after the draft you'll have perfect information about the picks needed to draft your favorite prospect, so it would be easy to game the system. If you want to trade up or trade down, post it and I'll give you an example and some calculations. 4. At the end of training camp, you'll cut your roster to 53 players. There is no injured reserve and no practice squad. You get only 53 players. Again, it's an honor system, but the general rule is to build your roster in a similar matter to an NFL team, so don't keep 8 quarterbacks and 1 offensive lineman. 5. At the end of the season, we review our teams and chat about what we did right or wrong, and where our strengths and weaknesses like. We don't do any competitions or anything at this point. It's just for discussion. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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04-30-2016, 11:54 PM	#530
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3408491 VARSITY	So here's the story. You'll start out with these picks: 1-28 (28th pick) 2-28 (59th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-25 (162nd pick) 5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick. 6-28 (203rd pick) 7-28 (249th pick) The Chiefs made two trade downs. If you accept the first one (49ers) and reject the second one (Buccaneers), you get the following picks. 2-6 (37th pick) 2-28 (59th pick) 4-7 (105th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-25 (162nd pick) 5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick. 6-3 (178th pick) 6-28 (203rd pick) If you reject the first one (49ers) and accept the second one (Buccaneers), you get the following picks: 1-28 (28th pick) 3-11 (74th pick) 4-8 (106th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-25 (162nd pick) 5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick. 6-28 (203rd pick) 7-28 (249th pick) If you accept both trades, you get: 2-6 (37th pick) 3-11 (74th pick) 4-7 (105th pick) 4-8 (106th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-25 (162nd pick) 5-28 (165th pick) - If you have Kelcie McCray on your roster, you can accept this trade and get this pick or reject it and keep McCray. If you're a new player, you can have this pick. 6-3 (178th pick) 6-28 (203rd pick) Of course, you can do your own trade up and trade down scenarios too, subject to the rules that require a discount. Let me know if you're interested and I can calculate your trading points. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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05-03-2016, 12:47 AM	#531
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3408491 VARSITY	Okay, we have some complicated trade decisions this year. Here's the Duluth scenario. First, we don't have Kelcie McCray on the roster so we can't trade him. Therefore, we start out with the following picks: 1-28 (28th pick) 2-28 (59th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-25 (162nd pick) 6-28 (203rd pick) 7-28 (249th pick) We will reject the first Chiefs trade down scenario with the 49ers, and we will accept the second one with the Buccaneers (trading our 59th pick for their 74th and 106th picks). This puts us with the following picks: 1-28 (28th pick) 3-11 (74th pick) 4-8 (106th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-25 (162nd pick) 6-28 (203rd pick) 7-28 (249th pick) We will now initiate a trade down with the Bears, as follows: We give up our 1-28 (28th pick) valued at 660 points x .65 = 429 points. In return, we get their 2-25 (56th pick), 4-15 (113th pick), and 6-10 (185th pick). Those picks are valued at 340+68+17.4 points = 425.4 points. That puts our picks as follows: 2-25 (56th pick) 3-11 (74th pick) 4-8 (106th pick) 4-15 (113th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-25 (162nd pick) 6-10 (185th pick) 6-28 (203rd pick) 7-28 (249th pick) We will now make a trade up with the Bengals, as follows: We give up our 5-25 (162nd pick) and 6-28 (203rd pick). These are valued at 26.6.85 points and 10.2.85 points for a total of 31.27 points. In return, we will receive their 5-24 (161st pick) and 7-24 (245th pick). These are valued at 27 and 2 points for a total of 29 points. This now puts us with the following picks: 2-25 (56th pick) 3-11 (74th pick) 4-8 (106th pick) 4-15 (113th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-24 (161st pick) 6-10 (185th pick) 7-24 (245th pick) 7-28 (249th pick) These trades follow all the rules because: - I'm initiating no more than one trade up. - I'm initiating no more than one trade down (other than a Chiefs trade that I'm accepting) - When trading down, I'm discounting my draft points by 35 percent and gaining no more than two additional picks and not gaining draft points. - When trading up, I'm discounting my draft points by 15 percent and gaining no more than two additional picks and not gaining draft points. So those are my draft choices now. In the next post I'll detail my draft. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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05-04-2016, 03:08 PM	#532
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $3089099	Spoiler! Okay...so I'm only taking the Bucs trade down. 1-28 (28th pick) 1-28 (28th pick) -- Myles Jack, LB - USC; taking him here in the first to get the 5th year option and redshirt him. Long-term replacement for DJ. 3-11 (74th pick) -- KeiVarae Russell, CB - ND is a good pick here. I ran a trade-up scenario for Bullard but the .85 penalty was just too steep. So I'll be sticking with Dorsey's pick here. I also thought about the higher upside play in Kendall Fuller but in the end, I'm pretty impressed with this kid so I'm standing pat. 4-8 (106th pick) -- Andrew Billings, NT - Baylor; this kid is !@#$ing STRONG. Can't play end like Jones but can probably play the nose even better. Give Poe a breather with him or put him alongside him in Nickel sets and this is a tough line to run on period. 4-28 (126th pick) -- Christian Westerman - OG, ASU; best interior line prospect on the board here and better than Ehringer. 5-25 (162nd pick) -- Trevor Davis - WR, Cal; discovered this guy during the CP Mock and I like him a lot. Great returner with height/speed figures that can make him a legitimate WR option with some development. 5-28 (165th pick) -- DJ White, CB - Georgia Tech; Thought very strongly about going with Jatavis Brown here but ultimately I just don't know how I'd use him in this system. Maybe as a hybrid safety in a 4-2-5 setup but I dunno. He's a 4-3 player that isn't a great fit in a 3-4, IMO. White's a nice little get this late. 6-28 (203rd pick) -- Mike Thomas, WR - Southern Miss; small school kid with elite measurables. Probably nothin', maybe somethin'. 7-28 (249th pick) -- Eric Striker, LB - Oklahoma; I have no idea what to do with this kid but if nothing else he'll be an absolute demon on special teams. Surely there's a way to find some time on the field for a kid that played for a premier program and generated as much pressure as he did. Is it really that farfetched to believe he could be a better version of Frank Zombo? __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags." Last edited by DJ's left nut; 05-06-2016 at 03:16 PM..
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05-04-2016, 04:21 PM	#533
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3195047	I'll create a team. Sacramento Sad Sacks.
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05-04-2016, 05:22 PM	#534
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3408491 VARSITY	DJ and I like a couple of the same guys. Barring a last-minute change I'll also be drafting Billings and Westerman. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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05-04-2016, 10:20 PM	#535
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3408491 VARSITY	Per my earlier post, I have the following picks: 2-25 (56th pick) 3-11 (74th pick) 4-8 (106th pick) 4-15 (113th pick) 4-28 (126th pick) 5-24 (161st pick) 6-10 (185th pick) 7-24 (245th pick) 7-28 (249th pick) Here are my picks: 2-25 (56th pick) - G Cody Whitehair (Bears) I don't know how my interior line collapsed so badly last year, but I need help. I debated not trading down and taking either Chris Jones or Robert Nkemdiche on the DL, or CB Xavien Howard or DE Noah Spence. It came down to Jones or Whitehair, and Whitehair seems like a safe pick in a big area of need. 3-11 (74th pick) - CB Kendall Fuller (Redskins) This pick came down to Fuller or Shilique Calhoun. I need a DE badly, but I'm in a 3-4 and wasn't sure that Calhoun would fit without a big talent shuffle. I briefly considered DTs Adolphus Washington and Jason Hargrave, but really need a starting CB and decided that I could go DL later in the draft. Fuller may get a chance early. 4-8 (106th pick) - SS Miles Killebrew (Lions) This is a bit of a luxury pick. I kind of need a SS, but it wasn't vital at this point. However, I liked Killebrew enough that I decided to spend a pick on him. I really liked Pharoh Cooper as well, but have no need at WR. I also considered DT Hassan Ridgeway. 4-15 (113th pick) - NT Andrew Billings (Bengals) I hope he works out, because I'm probably giving him a starting job as a 3-4 DE. He was too much potential value to pass up. Again, I considered Pharoh Cooper and Hassan Ridgeway. 4-28 (126th pick) - C Evan Boehm (Cardinals) I very much wanted RB Jordan Howard here, and considered G Christian Westerman, but in the end I need a center. I was also enamored with CB Zack Sanchez and DE Matt Judon, but went with need. 5-24 (161st pick) - G Christian Westerman (Bengals) I strongly considered OLB Jatavis Brown and WR Rashard Higgins, but I liked Westerman enough to trade up one spot to get him. I figure between him and Whitehair, I can get a good starter to complement Alex Boone at G, and maybe good depth, too. 6-10 (185th pick) - CB Harlan Miller (Cardinals) It came down to Harlan versus G Vadal Alexander, but I'd already drafted two guards. I need corner depth. 7-24 (245th pick) - ILB Scooby Wright (Browns) I don't need an ILB at all, but couldn't pass on Scooby Wright here. He's got a chance to be a low-cost starter in the long run. I didn't really debate anyone else here. 7-28 (249th pick) - CB Kalan Reed (Titans) We were late in the draft here and I kept hearing that he's a sleeper. So I took him. I didn't really consider anyone else. I came into the draft with starting holes at LG, DE, and CB, and needed upgrades at C, LT, and SS. I hope that I made good progress toward filling those needs. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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05-05-2016, 08:28 AM	#536
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $3089099	Man, we really do like a lot of the same guys. Fuller was a finalist at 3, I had Boehm picked at 126 until the last minute. I almost took 49ers trade down specifically to get Killebrew but I didn't love the options it left me at 37. Jatavis Brown and Vadal Alexander were both guys I thought hard about in the later rounds and would've taken Alexander as well had I made the 49ers trade and moved up to the 6th. I had Reed as my last pick (was just going to parrot my comment for Thomas) but then decided that I'd switch it up a bit and see if I couldn't find a UDFA that I liked. Looks like the only guys you took that weren't in the final 3 of a pick for me were Harlan Miller, Rashard Higgins and Matt Judon (who I must confess I know absolutely nothing about). I didn't really consider Cooper either but only because I thought Billings was a no-brainer there, otherwise he'd have been on the list. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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05-05-2016, 08:34 AM	#537
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $3089099	I guess I need to name my team, eh? Gonna go international here - The Mexico City Herrings __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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05-05-2016, 09:43 AM	#538
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3195047	If we accept both trades.....does that mean that we aren't able to complete another trade up or down?
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05-05-2016, 10:42 AM	#539
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3195047	And the link for the trade value chart isn't showing anything. What are we supposed to use?
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