**** OFFICIAL 2012 Kansas Football Repository Thread ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

New Coach, New year, new thread.

Sat, Sept. 1 SDSU at Kansas Memorial Stadium
Lawrence, KS at 6:00p.m. CT Jayhawk IMG TV Network

Sat, Sept. 8 Rice at Kansas Memorial Stadium
Lawrence, KS FSN at 2:30p.m. CT Fox Sports Net

Sat, Sept. 15 TCU at Kansas Memorial Stadium
Lawrence, KS at 11:00a.m. CT FX

Sat, Sept. 22 Kansas at No. Illinois
DeKalb, Illinois

Sat, Oct. 6 Kansas at Kansas State Bill Snyder Family Stadium
Manhattan, KS

Sat, Oct. 13 Okla. St. at Kansas Memorial Stadium
Lawrence, KS

Sat, Oct. 20 Kansas at Oklahoma Oklahoma Memorial Stadium
Norman, OK

Sat, Oct. 27 Texas at Kansas Memorial Stadium
Lawrence, KS

Sat, Nov. 3 Kansas at Baylor Floyd Casey Stadium
Waco, TX

Sat, Nov. 10 Kansas at TT Jones AT&T Stadium
Lubbock, TX

Sat, Nov. 17 Iowa State at Kansas Memorial Stadium
Lawrence, KS

Sat, Dec. 1 Kansas at West Virginia
Morgantown, W.V.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Why aren't guys like Fulmer and Barnett being considered decent hires by the fans?

You're not going to get a 'prime year', established coach at this point in the program. You've also established a nice little reputation as a coach-killer over the last several years (I've heard both Dan Patrick and Scott VanPelt make this point lately), making you pretty far down on the list for this season's 'hot' coach.

Well the good news is that there's a new 'hot' coach every single season and most of them are fairly interchangeable. So why not bring in a guy like Fulmer or Barnett, guys that know how to win games and don't care if they are walking into potential career suicide as its likely their last job anyway?

You really don't think Fulmer could turn KU into a much MUCH better job in 3 or 4 years? You essentially bring him in as a short-term stopgap and safe rebuilder. He won't come with nearly the risks of a some of these assistants and 2nd tier head coaches you're looking at (i.e. Gill) and you're far more likely to end up improving KU as a job for the next hire. Maybe then the 'name' assistant that year gives KU a much longer look.

Given the state of the program, bringing in an older coach with a strong pedigree seems like a solid idea to me.

I don't necessarily hate that line of thinking. Not the best case scenario, but it would surely avoid us the epic dumb that was Turner Gill.

[Saul Good]

Zeke, you took the first line of DJ's quote out of context by truncating it. As for the "career suicide" comments, it is absolutely being discussed by national personalities, and I think its a very real concern for up and coming coaches.

If you're the next big thing, why would you go somewhere that just fired the last big thing after only 2 years?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Zeke

But the only one thinking the KU job is career suicide is you guys. It's not an elite coaching position, and it kind of sucks atm, but spare us the MU mantra.

Patently false.

Again - this is the national reputation of your program right now. Dan Patrick doesn't give a wet fart about MU/KU but he specifically noted that many assistants might choose to stay at their current level and wait another year rather than take the KU job. VanPelt said something similar, but he was talking about mid-level head coaches (like Dykes).

Go ahead and say its just sour grapes if you'd like, but I'd suggest you listen to the national outlets a little more before believing it. Kansas has developed a national reputation for coaching suicides.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Zeke, you took the first line of DJ's quote out of context by truncating it. As for the "career suicide" comments, it is absolutely being discussed by national personalities, and I think its a very real concern for up and coming coaches.

If you're the next big thing, why would you go somewhere that just fired the last big thing after only 2 years?

No he didn't; I edited it before a response because I knew the KU fans and their "Well Zenger clearly didn't want that guy" rearview mirror rationalization would read it as he did.

I clarified the point to make the discussion more worthwhile; he must've clicked the quote button almost immediately.

As to the rest of his response; pretty head-in-the-sand stuff right there.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

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still living in the KU thread, i see.


how sad

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Just a thought I guess. ASU, UNC, & A&M have all, or are going to interview him - assuming that 1, or all three of them, offer him the position, I'm sure he'd take one of those 3 before KU.

And that's with the assumption that he's been interviewed\offered the job at KU which we don't even know.

There are two possible scenarios I see playing out here and both can end up being good for KU. 1) KU lands Fedora. We know that he interviewed openly with ASU, A&M and UNC. Three good jobs. He chose KU over them (possibly, depending on if we find out he has offers). That gives me a ton of confidence in Zenger. 2) He gets a job at one of those schools, and we don't know whether KU was ever actively trying to get him. This also gives me confidence in Zenger in that he is doing what is best for the school. Not openly recruiting anyone and everyone with the hope of landing someone. He's gathering everything he can and getting the best guy in here that we can get without publicizing all the "no's" along the way.

If Zenger was out there making all these interviews and offers public, it could be bad when a few coaches say "no" and then others are looking at it with the attitude of "maybe I don't wanna coach there, heck they all are turning them down".

Either way, it's being handled correctly by our new AD and this is giving me a lot more confidence that we have the right guy making this decision.

Yes, there are many more scenarios that can play out here.. but That's my positive spin for the day.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Zeke, you took the first line of DJ's quote out of context by truncating it. As for the "career suicide" comments, it is absolutely being discussed by national personalities, and I think its a very real concern for up and coming coaches.

If you're the next big thing, why would you go somewhere that just fired the last big thing after only 2 years?

No one is saying we're the next big thing. Of course it's 90 miles an hour or nothing mentality. This is the internet afterall.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Patently false.

In your opinion.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Laz

still living in the KU thread, i see.


how sad

Blah blah blah.

You're one of the premier trolls on this board, I'm not terribly concerned about your consternation.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Zeke

In your opinion.

Uh...no, that's not my opinion at all.

When I say that KU has developed a national reputation as a career-killer and I cite national sources calling it a career killer, that is not my opinion, that is the opinion of said national sources.

Had I simply said "KU is career suicide", that is my opinion. However, when it comes to reputation, perception is reality. Right now, the perception is that KU is a coaching graveyard and the national media guys are repeating it.

If you really think that Dan Patrick is just making this shit up and it's not coming from the coaching community, more power to you.

Like I said, very much a head-in-the-sand response from you here.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Go ahead and say its just sour grapes if you'd like, but I'd suggest you listen to the national outlets a little more before believing it. Kansas has developed a national reputation for coaching suicides.

Because a coach was fired for having a very bad relationship with his Athletic Director, his entire Athletic Department, his kids, and the community because he was a colassal dick? He started losing and no one jumped to save him because of the way he treated everyone including his own boss.

And then because the nice guy that couldn't coach a lick was fired by the new AD?

Give me a break. Face value, that's all you have.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Zeke

No one is saying we're the next big thing. Of course it's 90 miles an hour or nothing mentality. This is the internet afterall.

I'm talking about the coach thinking that HE is the next big thing. Nobody is going to confuse Kansas football with the next big thing. Its more like pissing with a boner. \admits to trolling there

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Its more like pissing with a boner. \admits to trolling there

Have you ever tried doing that while standing up still? It's quite fun, actually.

[Fansy the Famous Bard]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Uh...no, that's not my opinion at all.

When I say that KU has developed a national reputation as a career-killer and I cite national sources calling it a career killer, that is not my opinion, that is the opinion of said national sources.

Had I simply said "KU is career suicide", that is my opinion. However, when it comes to reputation, perception is reality. Right now, the perception is that KU is a coaching graveyard and the national media guys are repeating it.

If you really think that Dan Patrick is just making this shit up and it's not coming from the coaching community, more power to you.

Like I said, very much a head-in-the-sand response from you here.

You can certainly cherry pick a source all you want and tout your shining armor logic. That's what Knowmo does around these parts.

I'll actually pay attention to reality.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Because a coach was fired for having a very bad relationship with his Athletic Director, his entire Athletic Department, his kids, and the community because he was a colassal dick? He started losing and no one jumped to save him because of the way he treated everyone including his own boss.

And then because the nice guy that couldn't coach a lick was fired by the new AD?

Give me a break. Face value, that's all you have.

Spin it however you want. The bottom line is that a historically terrible program won an Orange Bowl in 2007. 4 years later, they are looking for their third coach with the last two having had their careers destroyed despite being recently considered rising stars.