Chiefs Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM - Page 15

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-27-2012, 04:18 PM

• Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire.

If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen.

Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco.

Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year.

On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck.

On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff.

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htismaqe · 12-28-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I disagree, but whats done is done and its not really worth a continuing discussion.

I just think that Haley will land somewhere as a HC and flourish when he is able to chose his staff and players.

I don't. He's an X's and O's guy. He's a good enough coordinator.

But a HEAD coach he is not. Primarily because he can't keep his.

chiefzilla1501 · 12-28-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't. He's an X's and O's guy. He's a good enough coordinator.

But a HEAD coach he is not. Primarily because he can't keep his.

I actually think he's an okay offensive mind. Good not great. He had room to improve as a game manager. As a head coach, what I care about is getting the most out of his players. What I saw in Kansas City was players taking conditioning very, very seriously and improvements at almost every position at technique and discipline. In Pittsburgh, I see an okay scheme, but I see the o-line playing with far better technique and Ben actually operating with a scheme instead of freelancing. Before his injury, I thought Ben was playing some of his best football in years.

I think he's a much better coach than an X's and O's guy. I understand why people see his temper as a red flags. I just can't stand people who go out of their way to discredit any good thing he did. Because he did plenty of good things.

O.city · 12-28-2012, 12:40 PM

Has Haley ever won much without a HOF QB and future HOF WR?

chiefzilla1501 · 12-28-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Has Haley ever won much without a HOF QB and future HOF WR?

2010 was a good year. Certainly enough to see potential in the coach and team. The rest is a criticism for how many wins you have in a half season behind a shitty qb missing the running back who masked how bad the qb was.

So the answer is... How much opportunity did he have to prove he could build a winning team? And how much would that have changed if pioli listened and got even an average qb. Even if romeo won the last 2 of three games, we saw that the problems with Haley's team all seemed to disappear with a better qb.

O.city · 12-28-2012, 01:18 PM

Or dissappear once Haley was removed?

It's funny that you are willing to make all these excuses for Haley, because you feel he was this great motivator and his guys played so hard for him, when in fact they got blown out time after time when they didn't play hard. Even in 2010.

So, no it's not on Haley, but he deserves part of it.

Mr. Laz · 12-28-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

2010 was a good year. Certainly enough to see potential in the coach and team. The rest is a criticism for how many wins you have in a half season behind a shitty qb missing the running back who masked how bad the qb was.

So the answer is... How much opportunity did he have to prove he could build a winning team? And how much would that have changed if pioli listened and got even an average qb. Even if romeo won the last 2 of three games, we saw that the problems with Haley's team all seemed to disappear with a better qb.

Weis

chiefzilla1501 · 12-28-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Or dissappear once Haley was removed?

It's funny that you are willing to make all these excuses for Haley, because you feel he was this great motivator and his guys played so hard for him, when in fact they got blown out time after time when they didn't play hard. Even in 2010.

So, no it's not on Haley, but he deserves part of it.

Blowouts aren't blowouts when you have a qb that can win games where the opponent scores more than 20 points. How many blowouts would we have had if we hash Aaron Rodgers engineering the comeback instead of Matt 3-and-out cassel?

**BossChief** · 12-28-2012, 01:21 PM

Did laz get a sex change?

chiefzilla1501 · 12-28-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Weis

Jamaal Charles
Tyler palko

Given that this team went 4-3 to start the year behind horrendous qb play and a terrible running game, you never once thought about what the season would have looked like with orton all season long and a healthy jamaal charles?

O.city · 12-28-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Blowouts aren't blowouts when you have a qb that can win games where the opponent scores more than 20 points. How many blowouts would we have had if we hash Aaron Rodgers engineering the comeback instead of Matt 3-and-out cassel?

Sure, if we had one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL, fine. So now we are saying Haley can't win without a top 5 franchise QB?

So how many blowouts this year do you put on Crennel, cause he has a QB core as bad as Haley?

Blowouts are blowouts when your team tunes you out and quits on you, which is what happened last year.

I'm not against Haley, I liked the hire. But when you have to make this many excuses as to why he failed, it begins to look a little off.

Was he the main culprit? No probably not. Does he deserve blame for it? Yeah

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-28-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Was he the main culprit? No probably not. Does he deserve blame for it? Yeah

It is difficult for me to fault a HC when his QB is Matt Cassel.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-28-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

So how many blowouts this year do you put on Crennel, cause he has a QB core as bad as Haley?

Yeah

Haley didn't have a RB with 1500 yards last year.

O.city · 12-28-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Jamaal Charles
Tyler palko

Given that this team went 4-3 to start the year behind horrendous qb play and a terrible running game, you never once thought about what the season would have looked like with orton all season long and a healthy jamaal charles?

And those 4 wins were against who?

The McNabb led Vikes, Colts, MNF miracle, and ?

Rams Fan · 12-28-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And those 4 wins were against who?

The McNabb led Vikes, Colts, MNF miracle, and ?

The Raiders.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-28-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

And those 4 wins were against who?

The McNabb led Vikes, Colts, MNF miracle, and ?

Crennel and this team would be 0-4 vs them

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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3686009	Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM • Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire. If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen. Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco. Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year. On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck. On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2GIFg6Ne3
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