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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 STL Cardinals Thread

From Bernie's column:

People have asked me why we’re not more emotional,” Matheny said in his office after Sunday’s game. “They say that we look subdued, always intense. That our actions are methodical, robotic at times. That’s what got us here. This isn’t the time to change it.”

It’s hard to argue with the manager’s assessment. The Cardinals finished with 97 victories, most by a Cards team since 2005, and tied with Boston for No. 1 in the majors this year.


Their 54-27 showing at Busch Stadium matches the 1985 team for the best single-season home winning percentage (.667) by the Cardinals since 1944.

A postseason theme has emerged, and it echoes the mantra that surfaced before the start of 2013: remember the fall of 2012. Remember falling to San Francisco in the NLCS.


The Cardinals’ veterans still haven’t forgotten. They still aren’t over it. It’s why Matheny resists GM John Mozeliak’s urgings to smile and put on a happier face.


Here's the most impressive aspect of the Cardinals' division championship: they prevailed over two other outstanding teams, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.



The 97-win Cardinals were better this year (regular season) than they were in 2011, when they won 90 games, and 2012, when they won 88.
Here are a few numbers that help put the Cardinals' Central title and No. 1 NL seed in perspective:



* Since MLB switched to a three-division format in each league in 1994, this was only the sixth time that a division had three 90-plus win teams. St. Louis won 97, Pittsburgh 94, and Cincinnati 90.
* Since the format change, this was only the second time that an NL division had three 90-win teams. In 2002 the NL West had Arizona (98 wins), San Francisco (95) and Los Angeles (92).
* The 2013 Cardinals faced more esteemed and difficult competition at the top of the division than any of the division-winning teams managed by Tony La Russa.

The Pirates were hardly pushovers; the Cardinals had to work like mad and kick in with a strong finish to put the division away, and didn't clinch until Game No. 160.



The Cardinals went 9-10 against Pittsburgh this season and were 11-8 vs. Cincinnati.


The Cardinals won only three of 10 games at PNC Park in Pittsburgh and split the 10 games at Cincinnati. The Cardinals were 6-3 against both teams at Busch Stadium.


The Cardinals (1st), Pirates (3rd) and Reds (5th) ranked among the top five in wins in the NL. The three teams were among the top 11 in wins in MLB. All three teams finished in the top five in the majors for best overall ERA, and each were in the top five MLB for best starting-pitching ERA.


The original purpose to this piece was to point out that the Cardinals managed to finish with the league's best record while competing in a division that had three 90-win teams for only the second time in the last 19 years of National League baseball.



The Cardinals really earned this.
Thanks for reading ...
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Old 03-27-2013, 07:53 PM   #226
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So... if Motte is out an extended amount of time, do you guys think Rosenthal is eventually given the closer's role? I know Boggs has had some success, but he doesn't seem like the slam-dunk guy Rosenthal could be.
I could see them giving Rosenthal the Wainwright 2006 treatment. Start him in low leverage situations, ultimately moving him up the ladder.

He's got the best stuff in the pen by far. That said, Boggs has better stuff than Motte, and he'll likely look unstoppable at times, but he has mental blocks that really, really scare me at times. Still, his BB rate has gone down every year, but his K rate isn't as high as his at-times wipeout slider would suggest. Some of that is b/c he also has a two-seamer.

Motte's biggest problem is that you can run up his pitch counts by just fouling off his fastball, and since his secondary pitch has never been much more than average, it also leads to some hairy moments.
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So... if Motte is out an extended amount of time, do you guys think Rosenthal is eventually given the closer's role? I know Boggs has had some success, but he doesn't seem like the slam-dunk guy Rosenthal could be.
Rosenthal is definitely on the same path as Wainwright. Leverage him in non pressure situations. Promote to 8th inning. When the closer falters move him into the closer role for this year.

His true path in the Big Show is a starter.

How do Royal fans feel about a talented local KC kid not being drafted by the Royals?
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Rosenthal's a groomed starter.

Sure, he kicked ass out of the pen last year, but he has a starter's arsenal and #1 ceiling. Let him start until he fails. DO NOT pigeonhole the guy into the closer role.

Besides, Carlos Martinez may or may not be able to handle a starters workload and has nastier stuff than Rosenthal even.

Cleto. Keep a very very close eye on Cleto. He can't be a starter; he's never figured out a passable 3rd pitch. However, he's slowly developed passable fastball command and it's a fastball that can be devastating.

There's a kid that you try to groom into a closer if for no other reason than he has no chance to succeed as a starter. He's clearly not ready yet, but he's built all the way up to a 3/1 K/BB ratio and a K rate well above a strikeout/inning. He's still extremely young and it wouldn't take much of a step forward in his age 24 season to be a truly outstanding bullpen weapon at age 25.

Motte wasn't able to establish himself in the bigs until 27 (obviously starting at catcher is why) and he's carved a nice career for himself. Time is still on Cleto's side and he's showing legitimate progress.

Don't sleep on the guy - he's not a write off by any means.
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Don't really know why everyone is counting Motte out. Doesn't seem like he'll miss all that much time, unless there's been more developments recently.
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Don't really know why everyone is counting Motte out. Doesn't seem like he'll miss all that much time, unless there's been more developments recently.
I'm not counting him out - but he's not going to be here in 3 seasons. After this 2 year deal expires, the Cards aren't going to pony up big FA $$ to retain him, IMO. They can't.

So I'm mostly looking to 2015. Motte's going to be just fine this season and next.
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Don't really know why everyone is counting Motte out. Doesn't seem like he'll miss all that much time, unless there's been more developments recently.
He won't be here after 2 years. We don't know the extent of his elbow issues and his mechanics isn't exactly fluid. If he would just throw that slider with more confidence and often.....

But, he is our closer for the next two years.
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Rosenthal is definitely on the same path as Wainwright. Leverage him in non pressure situations. Promote to 8th inning. When the closer falters move him into the closer role for this year.

His true path in the Big Show is a starter.

How do Royal fans feel about a talented local KC kid not being drafted by the Royals?
I'd rather have Trevor Rosenthal than Bubba Starling, but that's hindsight based (also isn't like they're the same draft class).

I can't give them too much shit on Rosenthal. He was a JUCO SS who had pitched 5 or 6 innings total when the Cards' scout noticed him. Just a case of right place, right time, I think.
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I'd rather have Trevor Rosenthal than Bubba Starling, but that's hindsight based (also isn't like they're the same draft class).

I can't give them too much shit on Rosenthal. He was a JUCO SS who had pitched 5 or 6 innings total when the Cards' scout noticed him. Just a case of right place, right time, I think.
ESPN gives the love to the Cardinals and Rosenthal.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/preview13/sto...y-do-all-mound

Yeah it doesn't look like a Pujols mistake. The Royals scouted Pujols like 5 times and 300 players later the Cardinals took him. He couldn't have looked good to have 300 players go in front of him. But the Royals should have gambeled on the local kid.

Looks like the only reason we have Rosenthal is one scout in the Cardinals that happen to be at the game scouting someone else. The scout heavily advocated for the unknown pitcher. That man deserves a raise and the Royals front office is off the hook on this pick.
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Yup.

I love pitchers that feature a fastball/curveball/changeup 3-pitch mix. It's as durable an arsenal as you'll find.

Then again, Waino blew out his elbow, so what the !@#$ do I know?
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