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Deberg_1990 · 10-06-2004, 04:29 PM

I figured I would start a thread for this and see what happens....there seemed to be quite a few viewers on the board for this show the past few weeks.....I like the direction the show is taking so far......episode 3 tonight at 7 central on ABC....

KingPriest2 · 05-11-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shag

Definitely seems feasible that she was smokey. I never took the "don't let him say a word to you" thing as being literal, but rather to prevent him (Flocke, at the time) from talking you down, or prevent the killer from hesitating.

I'm curious if the knife MIB used was the same knife that Dogan gave Sayid. I can't remember exactly what that one looked like, but I seem to recall it being a long dagger...

Ftom, what Ive been reading on other boards is people feel that she was not the smoke monster and when Jacob threw mib into the light it released smokey

**007** · 05-11-2010, 08:58 PM

What boards? And how do they explain her wiping out an entire village?

irishjayhawk · 05-11-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Ftom, what Ive been reading on other boards is people feel that she was not the smoke monster and when Jacob threw mib into the light it released smokey

I thought that was obvious...

KingPriest2 · 05-11-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

What boards? And how do they explain her wiping out an entire village?

Other discussion boards Im also looking at the Lost facebook

I havent seen anything in regards to the village

Shag · 05-11-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

Ftom, what Ive been reading on other boards is people feel that she was not the smoke monster and when Jacob threw mib into the light it released smokey

I'm not sure MIB and smokey are two different things, and I kind of think smokey spawned from MIB somehow when he went into the light. Jacob supposedly couldn't kill MIB, so even though the light technically would have killed him, I'm not sure that would be allowed. Secondly, I believe the mother said that going into the light wouldn't kill you, but instead cause something much worse than death.

irishjayhawk · 05-11-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

Guys I've been avoiding this thread like the plague.

I think Richards episode explained that smokey isn't a security system for the island, but that the island is a security system for smokey.

I'm sure that was discussed, but that episode explained that.

I never got that feeling from THAT episode but it's pretty much in stone after this one.

What gave it away in the Richard ep?

Chiefnj2 · 05-11-2010, 09:06 PM

I just have to accept the fact that the show really isn't going to have good answers for all the questions they created. They had a great premise and general idea, but do a piss poor job of wrapping it up.

Didn't Mother say they couldn't hurt or kill each other? Why was Jacob allowed to toss MIB into the light?

Smokey comes back and takes over his own body to communicate with Jacob? Bleh.

irishjayhawk · 05-11-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I just have to accept the fact that the show really isn't going to have good answers for all the questions they created. They had a great premise and general idea, but do a piss poor job of wrapping it up.

Didn't Mother say they couldn't hurt or kill each other? Why was Jacob allowed to toss MIB into the light?

Smokey comes back and takes over his own body to communicate with Jacob? Bleh.

My thought was a bit less than that. I thought that had this episode aired in, say, season 4 or 5, it would have been better. 3 nights left and they burn one of them on a background of the good/evil story they've woven quite rapidly (sporadically, haphazardly, etc) since, basically, season 4.

If you look at LOST as a whole, it's clear that Seasons 1-3 tell a vastly different story than seasons 4-6. 4-6 are hugely compelling to me because of the things they're attempting to put in play but they just don't align with 1-3. And an episode like tonight's where the players from 1-3 aren't seen except in flashback form, ruins much of the momentum.

Chiefnj2 · 05-11-2010, 09:18 PM

How did Jacob learn that he had to draw in other candidates and build a lighthouse, etc? His mom freaked when she heard about MIB and the light. She died within 24 hours. She must have had a good set of blueprints.

What's the deal with the light? If MIB goes into the light he turns into Smokey. If he builds the donkey wheel all hell will break loose, yet Linus and others turned the wheel and ended up in Afghanistan or something. Evil was not unleashed, they didn't turn into particles.

Creating more questions at this late stage just sucks.

Mr. Plow · 05-11-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KingPriest2

I heard something about the rules but I dont know if it would be considered a spoiler or not Its something that darlton said

Spoiler or not....would you PM me what you heard? The damn rules are driving me crazy.

arrowheadnation · 05-11-2010, 09:31 PM

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Smokey comes back and takes over his own body to communicate with Jacob? Bleh.

No....Smokey takes the form of Jacob's brother to **** with him. Jacob's brother is dead. Just like in current times. Smokey has taken the form of John Locke to **** with Jack and co. John Locke is dead.

Third Eye · 05-11-2010, 09:35 PM

Found this the other day while looking for info on rather or not the show Defying Gravity might ever return. Granted it is hearsay, but it flies in the face of the claims of Lost's creators that they had a plan from the beginning.

Speaking of Lost, here’s a fun bit he had to say about the show and how it relates to how he went into putting Defying Gravity together:

“I love the show [Lost], and Damon [Lindelof] and Carlton [Cuse]. I did a lot with Grey’s Anatomy during the first couple of years of Grey’s, and that first year of Grey’s was the first year of Lost, and I did a lot of dinners with ABC buyers with those two guys and Shonda Rhimes from Grey’s. Carlton is a really bright and funny guy, and he gets up, and the first question out of the foreign buyers’ mouths is ‘where’s it going to go? Do you know where it’s going to go?’, and he said ‘I haven’t a clue.’ And then he sits down across from me at the dinner table, and I remember saying ‘Damon, come on, that’s bullshit, right? I mean, you know where it’s going to go.’ And he says, ‘Jim, I haven’t a clue. I’m four episodes out; that’s all I know.’

“And I just thought to myself, y’know, that’s really dangerous. And then when I got into doing this show, I said I don’t want to do that; I don’t want to be in that position. First of all, I’d have ulcers if I did that, which would just be crazy, and I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night. So I went in pretty much knowing where it was going to go.”

http://www.cliqueclack.com/tv/2009/1...m-the-creator/

Chiefnj2 · 05-11-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aarowheadnation

No....Smokey takes the form of Jacob's brother to **** with him. Jacob's brother is dead. Just like in current times. Smokey has taken the form of John Locke to **** with Jack and co. John Locke is dead.

They sit around playing games, watching ships sail in. They are obviously playing a game with some unknown rules. He's doing more than effing with him. Plus, I don't think Smokey took the form of Jacob's brother. I think the brother took the form of Smokey. All smokey wants to do is leave the island and go home - just like the kid/MIB.

arrowheadnation · 05-11-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They sit around playing games, watching ships sail in. They are obviously playing a game with some unknown rules. He's doing more than effing with him. Plus, I don't think Smokey took the form of Jacob's brother. I think the brother took the form of Smokey. All smokey wants to do is leave the island and go home - just like the kid/MIB.

No no no....that's what this whole episode was about. Smokey doesn't have a "home" to go to. It/He's lying to them. He's always told people that to play on their emotions. Anybody marooned on a desert island wants to go home. It/he's pure evil that wants to be unleashed on the world. The brother, who wanted to go home (because he is human and actually came from another place) is dead.

**007** · 05-11-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

They sit around playing games, watching ships sail in. They are obviously playing a game with some unknown rules. He's doing more than effing with him. Plus, I don't think Smokey took the form of Jacob's brother. I think the brother took the form of Smokey. All smokey wants to do is leave the island and go home - just like the kid/MIB.

That is what smokey does. He takes the form of dead people. I think when Jacob threw his brother to the ground and hit his head in the stream, that killed him.

Now, on the subject that the mother said they couldn't kill each other. I have no idea.

The only way smokey can take the form of the brother is for the brother to have died though. At least according to everything they have told us the last couple years.

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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7883688	I just have to accept the fact that the show really isn't going to have good answers for all the questions they created. They had a great premise and general idea, but do a piss poor job of wrapping it up. Didn't Mother say they couldn't hurt or kill each other? Why was Jacob allowed to toss MIB into the light? Smokey comes back and takes over his own body to communicate with Jacob? Bleh. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7883688	How did Jacob learn that he had to draw in other candidates and build a lighthouse, etc? His mom freaked when she heard about MIB and the light. She died within 24 hours. She must have had a good set of blueprints. What's the deal with the light? If MIB goes into the light he turns into Smokey. If he builds the donkey wheel all hell will break loose, yet Linus and others turned the wheel and ended up in Afghanistan or something. Evil was not unleashed, they didn't turn into particles. Creating more questions at this late stage just sucks. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Third Eye Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: JoCo Casino cash: $1680860	Found this the other day while looking for info on rather or not the show Defying Gravity might ever return. Granted it is hearsay, but it flies in the face of the claims of Lost's creators that they had a plan from the beginning. Speaking of Lost, here’s a fun bit he had to say about the show and how it relates to how he went into putting Defying Gravity together: “I love the show [Lost], and Damon [Lindelof] and Carlton [Cuse]. I did a lot with Grey’s Anatomy during the first couple of years of Grey’s, and that first year of Grey’s was the first year of Lost, and I did a lot of dinners with ABC buyers with those two guys and Shonda Rhimes from Grey’s. Carlton is a really bright and funny guy, and he gets up, and the first question out of the foreign buyers’ mouths is ‘where’s it going to go? Do you know where it’s going to go?’, and he said ‘I haven’t a clue.’ And then he sits down across from me at the dinner table, and I remember saying ‘Damon, come on, that’s bullshit, right? I mean, you know where it’s going to go.’ And he says, ‘Jim, I haven’t a clue. I’m four episodes out; that’s all I know.’ “And I just thought to myself, y’know, that’s really dangerous. And then when I got into doing this show, I said I don’t want to do that; I don’t want to be in that position. First of all, I’d have ulcers if I did that, which would just be crazy, and I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night. So I went in pretty much knowing where it was going to go.” http://www.cliqueclack.com/tv/2009/1...m-the-creator/
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