NFL Draft Your Draft: first three rounds. - Page 3

Direckshun · 12-03-2008, 01:00 AM

Try to keep it relatively realistic.

What are your three picks. Assume that we have the #5 spot in the Draft, just to be conservative.

Feel free to explain your picks.

PhillyChiefFan · 12-03-2008, 07:46 AM

I know a lot of people want to draft a QB with the 1st rd pick, but with offenses scoring almost at will on us and putting up ungodly numbers on us, can someone give me a good argument to take Stafford over a top tier pass rushing DE? Serious question, no sarcasm.

To me, I see our sack column and I throw up in my mouth a lil. QB's can start a campfire and finish the first verse of Kumbya before selecting a receiver. Our offense is playing better than our defense, and our QB, while young and inexperienced is improving. And he will probably be slated to be the starter on game day next season.

My point is, if we draft say...Stafford or Bradford, we are drafting for depth on a team that desperatly needs a pass rush and a ball hawk MLB. IMHO, we need guys who can start next season and improve on about the same learning curve Dorsey, Flowers, etc. are on. To me, for future teams (ie 2010) that will create a defense with cohesion and experience.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-03-2008, 07:47 AM

FWIW, if we lose out, the worst we can draft is 3rd.

milkman · 12-03-2008, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

As for me, I am convinced the Chiefs want to go DE with their first pick, but there doesn't seem to be any DEs that warrant, at this time, a top 5 pick. I like Michael Johnson, I like Brian Orakpo, I like George Selvie -- but they are flirts with the #10 selection rather than the #5. I'm not going to bet my life on them trading down, but it sure wouldn't surprise me.

That said, the Chiefs trade down anywhere from 9 to 15 so they feel less self conscious about going DE. Some other team reaches for Orakpo, so the Chiefs, with the 10th overall pick in the Draft, go for Michael Johnson. No word on exactly what the Chiefs received in return.

In the second round, Alex Mack has fallen for no discernable reason other than the fact that rarely does anymore than 1 interior lineman go in the first round, and the Steelers already opted for Duke Robinson. Mack drops a bit and the Chiefs pounce for their second rounder.

Their third rounder, one imagines, has to concern itself again with the front seven. They end up taking Dannell Ellerbe from Georgia for MLB, a fast player who has done nothing but rack up great numbers for a solid SEC defense.

1. DE Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
2. C Alex Mack, California
3. MLB Dannell Allerbe, Georgia

This is a pretty good draft.

And just for the hell of it, so I'm not completely riding your draft, I'll add a 4th rd. pick and take Fenuki Tupou, OT, Oregon.

PhillyChiefFan · 12-03-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ice 101

#5 Overall: Brian Orakpo DE/Texas.
#37: Nate Davis, QB, Ball State
#69: Max Unger: C Oregon

Um...yes...yes I think I could live with that.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-03-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

I know a lot of people want to draft a QB with the 1st rd pick, but with offenses scoring almost at will on us and putting up ungodly numbers on us, can someone give me a good argument to take Stafford over a top tier pass rushing DE? Serious question, no sarcasm.

Because it's not a one year rebuild, QBs are much more important than DEs, and Stafford is a rare prospect.

Look at the Giants. Take away Osi and Strahan from that team. Does one or two DEs kill that D? Nope.

Where would they be if they had David Carr behind center as opposed to Eli?

And Stafford will have a much better draft grade than Eli.

We aren't going to be any good next year either. We still have holes at 3/5 O-line positions, both DE's, Will Backer, Mike Backer, and we need another safety plus two QBs and a RB for depth.

PhillyChiefFan · 12-03-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ice 101

Because it's not a one year rebuild, QBs are much more important than DEs, and Stafford is a rare prospect.

Look at the Giants. Take away Osi and Strahan from that team. Does one or two DEs kill that D? Nope.

Where would they be if they had David Carr behind center as opposed to Eli?

And Stafford will have a much better draft grade than Eli.

We aren't going to be any good next year either. We still have holes at 3/5 O-line positions, both DE's, Will Backer, Mike Backer, and we need another safety plus two QBs and a RB for depth.

Good arguement, thank you Mr. Ice.

And you are right about the Giants. I suppose I am just a defensive minded person, I like TFL and sacks.

Could we get a DE in free agency? I am not sure who is available, but it might be good to get a decent DE in FA, then I would be all for a QB in the first.

Alas, Mr. Ice, our debate is all for not. Because Detroit needs a QB like I need my liver.

CoMoChief · 12-03-2008, 08:21 AM

1. DE Brian Orakpo - Texas
2. TE Chase Coffman - Missouri (I think we trade TG in the offseason)
3. WR Derrick Williams - Penn St
3. RB Javon Ringer - Michigan St

FA
MLB - Jonathan Vilma

Trade
KC 4th rd pick and LJ for PHI OL Shawn Andrews

CoMoChief · 12-03-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

Um...yes...yes I think I could live with that.

No to Nate Davis

CupidStunt · 12-03-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

1. DE Brian Orakpo - Texas
2. TE Chase Coffman - Missouri (I think we trade TG in the offseason)
3. WR Derrick Williams - Penn St
3. RB Javon Ringer - Michigan St

FA
MLB - Jonathan Vilma

Trade
KC 4th rd pick and LJ for PHI OL Shawn Andrews

Stick your keyboard up your ass.

ChiefsCountry · 12-03-2008, 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

I know a lot of people want to draft a QB with the 1st rd pick, but with offenses scoring almost at will on us and putting up ungodly numbers on us, can someone give me a good argument to take Stafford over a top tier pass rushing DE? Serious question, no sarcasm.

Do you want Elway or Derrick Thomas/Neil Smith? For as good as those two were Elway thumped them alot.

milkman · 12-03-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by lj4mvp

Stick your keyboard up your ass.

That's a bit rough, but on point I agree.

CupidStunt · 12-03-2008, 08:29 AM

and give us your picks, Mecca. So many words and so little to say. WHO WOULD YOU ACTUALLY TAKE?

PhillyChiefFan · 12-03-2008, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Trade
KC 4th rd pick and LJ for PHI OL Shawn Andrews

He had depression issues, and is still suffering from them.

That said he is a great OLineman, but apparently his depression was bad enough to make him miss games this year.

PhillyChiefFan · 12-03-2008, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Do you want Elway or Derrick Thomas/Neil Smith? For as good as those two were Elway thumped them alot.

Good point too. Like I said I just wanted a discussion from the other side of the fence. I am not one to say "my way is right, fuck offense".

I definitly want to draft a QB, I just am not convinced on a 1st rder competely.

Make no mistake, if we draft Stafford I will not be upset at all. I just see the holes on defense, and our sack totals, etc.

Oh, I DID play def. back though. Might have something to do with it...

ChiefsCountry · 12-03-2008, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

I definitly want to draft a QB, I just am not convinced on a 1st rder competely.

Rule #1 in the draft, if you dont have a franchise QB then draft one.

12-03-2008, 01:00 AM
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12-03-2008, 07:46 AM	#31
PhillyChiefFan Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Casino cash: $4591139	I know a lot of people want to draft a QB with the 1st rd pick, but with offenses scoring almost at will on us and putting up ungodly numbers on us, can someone give me a good argument to take Stafford over a top tier pass rushing DE? Serious question, no sarcasm. To me, I see our sack column and I throw up in my mouth a lil. QB's can start a campfire and finish the first verse of Kumbya before selecting a receiver. Our offense is playing better than our defense, and our QB, while young and inexperienced is improving. And he will probably be slated to be the starter on game day next season. My point is, if we draft say...Stafford or Bradford, we are drafting for depth on a team that desperatly needs a pass rush and a ball hawk MLB. IMHO, we need guys who can start next season and improve on about the same learning curve Dorsey, Flowers, etc. are on. To me, for future teams (ie 2010) that will create a defense with cohesion and experience.
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12-03-2008, 07:47 AM	#32
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12-03-2008, 08:21 AM	#37
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $8052254	1. DE Brian Orakpo - Texas 2. TE Chase Coffman - Missouri (I think we trade TG in the offseason) 3. WR Derrick Williams - Penn St 3. RB Javon Ringer - Michigan St FA MLB - Jonathan Vilma Trade KC 4th rd pick and LJ for PHI OL Shawn Andrews __________________
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12-03-2008, 08:29 AM	#42
CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $2553332	and give us your picks, Mecca. So many words and so little to say. WHO WOULD YOU ACTUALLY TAKE?
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