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Old 05-16-2018, 10:08 PM  
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Trump is a racist scumbag: exhibit 932

Before you can convince people to commit atrocities against a group of people you:

- blame them for all the ills of society
- dehumanize them

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/u...s-animals.html

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Trump lashed out at undocumented immigrants during a White House meeting on Wednesday, warning in front of news cameras that dangerous people were clamoring to breach the country’s borders and branding such people “animals.”
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:23 AM   #76
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Kind of like cravenly trying to conflate defense of accuracy with defense of the sentiment itself.

If these critics had any notion that they were on solid rhetorical ground, they would loudly and proudly cite the ACCURATE quote and then critique that.

Instead, they distort the quote beyond any intended reasonable bounds, then accuse you of defending the merits of the position as redefined by their lying distortion, rather than acknowledge that you are defending against their lying and distortion of the position.
I never claimed to quote him directly. It's called paraphrasing.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:28 AM   #77
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I don't get how you refuted what I said. He is talking about people from Mexico who are coming over the border. You know, Mexicans. And then he said they're rapists who bring drugs and crime. There is no other sensible reading of what he said. And if you think I'm misinterpreting him, fine, but don't accuse me of being a liar unless you can put forth some evidence to support it.
You are taking a statement about the types of people who are being either implicitly or explicitly funneled into the avenues of immigration from the southern board that purposefully subvert our laws, and characterize it as a statement about the innate nature of the entire ethno-nationality.


At an earlier point, one might have afforded you the charitable assessment that you were simply misinformed or careless in your phrasing. That you persist despite continuous correction lends credence to the conclusion that you are purposefully lying.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:30 AM   #78
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Was Trump also talking about MS-13 when he said Mexicans were rapists and drug dealers during his announcement to run for President?
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I never claimed to quote him directly. It's called paraphrasing.
Fine, then he never said what you paraphrased. The sole utility of a paraphrase is to ACCURATELY SUMMARIZE a statement while CONDENSING only wholly irrelevant details. As such, your paraphrase fails of its essential purpose and is thus completely in error.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:31 AM   #79
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Immigrant populations commit less crimes than citizens do. You either aren’t aware of this or you don’t care.
What about illegal immigrant populations? Are you for open borders or enforcement of our immigration laws?
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:33 AM   #80
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Change the skin color and they’d be standard white trash yokels.
They ARE whites.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:36 AM   #81
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You are taking a statement about the types of people who are being either implicitly or explicitly funneled into the avenues of immigration from the southern board that purposefully subvert our laws, and characterize it as a statement about the innate nature of the entire ethno-nationality.
Mexico "isn't" sending anyone. So he is either talking about fictional immigrants or he is talking about all immigrants.

And calling all immigrants rapists and drug dealers, with some being good people, is nonsense trash designed to only play to the racist base.

And hiding behind "Well those non violent undocumented immigrants who work and participate in society broke a civil law, therefor we can call them rapists and drug deals" is cowardly and dishonest.

But you go ahead with your stawman about "entire ethno-nationality" God forbid you actually address what people actually say.

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At an earlier point, one might have afforded you the charitable assessment that you were simply misinformed or careless in your phrasing. That you persist despite continuous correction lends credence to the conclusion that you are purposefully lying.
Your continued dishonest defense of a horrible quote only lends credence to the conclusion that you are purposefully lying.
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Old 05-17-2018, 09:37 AM   #82
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Fine, then he never said what you paraphrased. The sole utility of a paraphrase is to ACCURATELY SUMMARIZE a statement while CONDENSING only wholly irrelevant details. As such, your paraphrase fails of its essential purpose and is thus completely in error.
He said Mexicans instead of all immigrants!!!!!

OMG!!!!!

Fing pathetic.
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It's so mind bottling to see someone who seemingly prides themselves on communication defend a fool like Trump.
What's truly mind-bottling is that, for everything Trump ****s up, his opposition insists on ****ing up worse.

So much worse that me defending accuracy and rationality appears to the emotional opposition simply as 'defending Trump.'
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You are taking a statement about the types of people who are being either implicitly or explicitly funneled into the avenues of immigration from the southern board that purposefully subvert our laws, and characterize it as a statement about the innate nature of the entire ethno-nationality.
If you want to look at the actual quote, he said "when Mexico sends it's people, they're not sending their best". That implies Mexico is sending it's own citizens, or if we're going with a more generous interpretation, that Mexicans are coming on their own. Either way, the quote is about Mexicans, clearly, not that Americans could tell a Mexican and somebody from Honduras apart anyway so I'm not sure it makes an actual difference.

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At an earlier point, one might have afforded you the charitable assessment that you were simply misinformed or careless in your phrasing. That you persist despite continuous correction lends credence to the conclusion that you are purposefully lying.
Using big words to communicate stupid points doesn't make you an intellectual. Lay off the Jordan Peterson videos, please.
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What's truly mind-bottling is that, for everything Trump ****s up, his opposition insists on ****ing up worse.

So much worse that me defending accuracy and rationality appears to the emotional opposition simply as 'defending Trump.'
What's truly mind boggling is that, for everything trump fs up, his defenders insist on lying and they make it worse.

So much worse than the opposition pointing out how horrible and dispictable the quote, trump defenders emotional defense of horrible quotes using lies and irrational logic.
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Don't partake in revisionist history I wouldn't have to correct you.
I didn't, and yet you leapt forward in ignorance as if you thought you'd scored a point or something. So dial back the drama, stop injecting emotion into the debate, and discuss the issue. If you are capable of doing that.
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If you want to look at the actual quote, he said "when Mexico sends it's people, they're not sending their best". That implies Mexico is sending it's own citizens, or if we're going with a more generous interpretation, that Mexicans are coming on their own. Either way, the quote is about Mexicans, clearly, not that Americans could tell a Mexican and somebody from Honduras apart anyway so I'm not sure it makes an actual difference.


If you're ready to move off the lie that Trump said 'Mexicans are rapists,' we can move to discussing the fact that he was talking about Mexico's, whether you want to characterize it as implicit or explicit, whether you want to call it a policy or simply a tendency, . . . Mexico's . . . noticeable trend of allowing undesirable INDIVIDUALS to either rot in Mexican jail, go back where they came from, OR continue on unmolested to our land where they become our problem.


Kind of a national iteration of the old bar statement at closing time 'you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.' This which RESULTS in undesirable INDIVIDUALS, some rapists and murderers, being funneled through Mexican sovereign territory to American sovereign territory, where we get to deal with them.


A long long way from saying that an entire ethno-national classification [Mexicans] have innate fundamental flaws [rape and murder].

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Using big words to communicate stupid points doesn't make you an intellectual. Lay off the Jordan Peterson videos, please.
Fine, 'big' words bother you? The first few times you posted something false, kindhearted people could assume you were just stupid or at least ignorant. At this point, you are a purposeful liar.

Better?

If you're still dissatisfied, don't worry. I'm sure we'll go around and around again in a week or two when something causes you another temper tantrum and you repeat the lie verbatim like you've never been corrected.
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I didn't.
You did. The "good people on both sides" was specific to the protests that saw white nationals kill someone, not to the debate over monuments.

Stop crying about someone calling you out on revisionist history.
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If you're ready to move off the lie that Trump said 'Mexicans are rapists,' we can move to discussing the fact that he was talking about Mexico's, whether you want to characterize it as implicit or explicit, whether you want to call it a policy or simply a tendency, . . . Mexico's . . . noticeable trend of allowing undesirable INDIVIDUALS to either rot in Mexican jail, go back where they came from, OR continue on unmolested to our land where they become our problem.
Oh look, another Trumper defending Trump's lies using irrational logic and emotional dishonesty.

"Mexico sending" has now become a "tendency for Mexico of allowing." (Which isn't really true either) And this idiot just ranted to others about staying accurate to the actual quote.

Guess you don't want to actually discuss the accuracy of the quote.

Another example of how completely unaware you are to your own bull shit.

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Kind of a national iteration of the old bar statement at closing time 'you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.' This which RESULTS in undesirable INDIVIDUALS, some rapists and murderers, being funneled through Mexican sovereign territory to American sovereign territory, where we get to deal with them.
Again, I thought we were concerned about accuracy. Trump didn't say some were rapists and murderers. He said they were rapists and murders, with some being good people.

And he didn't say "Mexico is using an old bar iteration of can't stay here", he said "Mexico is sending".

That you post this dishonest trash after standing on your soap box and badly lecturing others about being honest about the quote is absolutely amazing, but not shocking coming from you.

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Fine, 'big' words bother you? The first few times you posted something false, kindhearted people could assume you were just stupid or at least ignorant. At this point, you are a purposeful liar.

Better?

If you're still dissatisfied, don't worry. I'm sure we'll go around and around again in a week or two when something causes you another temper tantrum and you repeat the lie verbatim like you've never been corrected.
Says the person who just lied through the entire post.



You are really entertaining in the "Look at the loser who accuses everyone else of what he does habitually" kind of way.
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You did. The "good people on both sides" was specific to the protests.
I didn't, there were good people on both sides of the issue that drove the protests as well as the protests themselves. If you don't want people to react to the stupid things that you say, then stop saying stupid things.
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