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Coogs · 09-03-2012, 01:26 PM

Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn.

I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week.

Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards.

Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards.

The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills.

Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily.

The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together.

Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players.

3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down.

3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down.

3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured.

Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD.

That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them.

I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DarthCarlSatan

How bad does Cassel suck when pining for Thiggy becomes a topic around here?

Has nothing to do with Cassel sucking, it has everything to do with the lack of basic football knowledge of our fanbase here.

We are quickly becoming CC and/or WPI...

htismaqe · 09-04-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

That's just it. It's the preseason and we showed nothing. We have seen him throw the ball down the field in the last three years. People just don't want to admit it. People are crazy.

What games are you watching?

Any throw beyond 20 yards is almost guaranteed to be a neutral play AT BEST.

Go to any stat-related site there is and look it up - Matt Cassel's "deep ball" is one of the worst in the league among starting QBs.

beach tribe · 09-04-2012, 10:06 AM

Are you kidding?? Quinn looked like shit. Couldn't even hit a slant pass in the end zone on his first trip to the red zone, and then threw a pick on his next trip to the red zone. Cassel hit Bowe for like 10 TDs on that slant pass in 2010. It was almost unstoppable.

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Are you kidding?? Quinn looked like shit. Couldn't even hit a slant pass in the end zone on his first trip to the red zone, and then threw a pick on his next trip to the red zone. Cassel hit Bowe for like 10 TDs on that slant pass in 2010. It was almost unstoppable.

JFC.....Quinn has had NO time with the #1s. I bet if Cassel went out and played with the scrubs....he'd look like dog shit as well.

beach tribe · 09-04-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

JFC.....Quinn has had NO time with the #1s. I bet if Cassel went out and played with the scrubs....he'd look like dog shit as well.

So a QB that has been in the league for as long as he has needs a ton of reps to hit a 7 yard slant pass?
Look, I like Quinn. Love to have him as a back up, but Cassel is actually better, and that's not good for Quinn.

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

So a QB that has been in the league for as long as he has needs a ton of reps to hit a 7 yard slant pass?
Look, I like Quinn. Love to have him as a back up, but Cassel is actually better, and that's not good for Quinn.

When you don't get any reps with the WRs that you're throwing to? Yeah. The passing game relies on timing. You only get that from working with the WRs over and over again. Interesting that when Quinn goes out and plays with the #2s.....he's got no problems. That's because those are the guys that he's practicing with on a day to day basis.

I guarantee that if Quinn got #1 reps during practice....he'd blow Cassel out of the water. I've said it before.....and I'll say it again....Quinn is the perfect fit for this offense. He's better in the pocket than Cassel is. He's better at reading defenses. He's better at going through his progressions. And he's better at throwing the deep ball.

**buddha** · 09-04-2012, 10:18 AM

coogs, I posted something similar before the preseason. I am far from a Quinn honk and I hate ND...so no dog in the fight. I think Quinn has more presence and more ability than the other two QBs on the roster. He isn't perfect, and his biggest issue is his inability to sense pressure and burn pressure.

With that said, I think BQ is a better option for KC long term. To the stooges who think drafting a QB in the first round, no matter who it is, you guys are really really dumb.

ChiefsCountry · 09-04-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Doesn't have to be a HOFer. This team is not built in the fashion that needs a HOF QB to be successful... and successful deep into the post season. It does need a QB who can bring a bit more to the table than Cassel can.

Watch the 1st two series with Quinn against the Packers again. Watch it without any bias. You might be surprised.

I'm a Quinn supporter but with CoMo's track record just made it happen.

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 10:20 AM

And before someone comes out and calls me a Quinn homer.......I'm not saying that if Quinn was starting....that he would be out competing with Brady, Brees or Rodgers. He's not that type of QB. But he is better than Cassel....and he won't go out there and just complete checkdown passes to McCluster all ****ing game.

beach tribe · 09-04-2012, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

When you don't get any reps with the WRs that you're throwing to? Yeah. The passing game relies on timing. You only get that from working with the WRs over and over again. Interesting that when Quinn goes out and plays with the #2s.....he's got no problems. That's because those are the guys that he's practicing with on a day to day basis.

I guarantee that if Quinn got #1 reps during practice....he'd blow Cassel out of the water. I've said it before.....and I'll say it again....Quinn is the perfect fit for this offense. He's better in the pocket than Cassel is. He's better at reading defenses. He's better at going through his progressions. And he's better at throwing the deep ball.

I really wish he could get a shot to do just that. It would be ****ing awesome for him to resurrect his career for us, and become the quality starter we need. He has all the talent in the world.

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 10:21 AM

What is funny is how fast it went from Stanzimania to QuinnTaintLicking... Dear god, this is getting comical.

If you need a good laugh, open a QB thread on CP and read the expert analysis...

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 10:23 AM

Quinn's career never really got off to a start at all. His situation in Cleveland was ****ed. He got injured...and then lost the coach that drafted him. Mangini ****ed up that whole situation. He went to Denver. Could he have shined and made the Broncos start him over Tebow? Sure. But I still think that Denver wasn't going to blow a 1st round pick on Tebow and then not give him a shot. He came here....and he's still ****ed because Pioli isn't benching Cassel.

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

What is funny is how fast it went from Stanzimania to QuinnTaintLicking... Dear god, this is getting comical.

If you need a good laugh, open a QB thread on CP and read the expert analysis...

What's funny is if ANYONE on this board actually thinks your posts have any substance to them. You've now fallen below R8ers and Setsuna. You're the most worthless poster on this board.

Frankie · 09-04-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Quinn is 27.

Playing like 57.

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Hopefully, Cassel throws down a breakout year, though and makes all that moot.

Cassel will have a year par with any average QB and we'll call it his break out year. Pioli will have that "I told you so" posture all off season and stay away from drafting one of the talented QBs coming up.

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Originally Posted by Coogs

But I do know this. After only a couple of practices with the #1's... and probably very limited reps at that... Quinn looked pretty damn good when given the opportunity to play with the first string Thursday. Some obvious chemistry/timing issues, but those are to be expected. At least by me.

The ball went were it should have every single time... except one... but that was more on the O-line IMO. Split second longer with some pass protection, and the progression reads leads Quinn right to an easy TD on his left to right read pattern. And I mean split second.

I was vocally against drafting Quinn when he came out of college and posters here were screaming for him. I was totally correct. Quinn has not done anything for me to even get the crow out of the freezer.

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Originally Posted by JD10367

Debating Cassel vs. Quinn vs. Thigpen is like last call at the bar, and debating, between the three skanks left, if you wanna go home with the hunchback, the gimp, or the cross-eyed chick.

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

If I was a gimp, hunchback, or cross-eyed chick I would be insulted by that comparison.

OK, fat, hair lip, and toothless.

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Originally Posted by O.city

He didn't really check it down, thats the way Dabolls offense is designed.

Which is why I have theorized on this BB before and will here again, that Daboll has been instructed to devise an O that would be totally suited to Cassel. This may be one of the reasons Stanzi has regressed over last preseason. This and the long hair.

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Cassel will get hurt, and Quinn will win us a Super Bowl. Pioli finally finds his Brady.

And Prince Charles will be King of England.

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Originally Posted by ARROW2

Quinn is better than Cassel and it's not even close. Waaaay more talented and poise in the pocket. Throws a better ball and reads defenses better. Looks like a QB. Cassel sucks and is a wannabe QB.

If you want purer stuff for cheaper call 1-555-pursht

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What's funny is if ANYONE on this board actually thinks your posts have any substance to them. You've now fallen below R8ers and Setsuna. You're the most worthless poster on this board.

Yet your posts do?

Little man, go away...

09-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1694349	I think the QB of the future may be on our roster already. Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn. I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week. Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards. Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards. The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills. Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily. The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together. Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players. 3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down. 3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down. 3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured. Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD. That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them. I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.
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09-04-2012, 10:06 AM	#153
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4848036	Are you kidding?? Quinn looked like shit. Couldn't even hit a slant pass in the end zone on his first trip to the red zone, and then threw a pick on his next trip to the red zone. Cassel hit Bowe for like 10 TDs on that slant pass in 2010. It was almost unstoppable.
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09-04-2012, 10:18 AM	#157
buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	coogs, I posted something similar before the preseason. I am far from a Quinn honk and I hate ND...so no dog in the fight. I think Quinn has more presence and more ability than the other two QBs on the roster. He isn't perfect, and his biggest issue is his inability to sense pressure and burn pressure. With that said, I think BQ is a better option for KC long term. To the stooges who think drafting a QB in the first round, no matter who it is, you guys are really really dumb.
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09-04-2012, 10:20 AM	#159
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3195047	And before someone comes out and calls me a Quinn homer.......I'm not saying that if Quinn was starting....that he would be out competing with Brady, Brees or Rodgers. He's not that type of QB. But he is better than Cassel....and he won't go out there and just complete checkdown passes to McCluster all ****ing game.
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09-04-2012, 10:21 AM	#161
Reerun_KC Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Casino cash: $8301160	What is funny is how fast it went from Stanzimania to QuinnTaintLicking... Dear god, this is getting comical. If you need a good laugh, open a QB thread on CP and read the expert analysis...
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09-04-2012, 10:23 AM	#162
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3195047	Quinn's career never really got off to a start at all. His situation in Cleveland was **ed. He got injured...and then lost the coach that drafted him. Mangini ed up that whole situation. He went to Denver. Could he have shined and made the Broncos start him over Tebow? Sure. But I still think that Denver wasn't going to blow a 1st round pick on Tebow and then not give him a shot. He came here....and he's still **ed because Pioli isn't benching Cassel.
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