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[Mr_Tomahawk]

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http://www.bobgretz.com/chiefs-footb...a-starter.html

Watching the quarterbacks
Among the 3 quarterbacks on the roster, the guy who threw the ball best on Thursday was Brady Quinn. He appears to have solid mechanics in his drop and has smoothed out some rough edges that were visible in his motion going back to Notre Dame. Matt Cassel threw several nice passes, but he was high on his throws during much of the session. Ricky Stanzi was OK. @Iowa homers.

“I think they’re beginning to gain a command of the system and some of the checks that we have in place,” Crennel said. “They’re all doing well. Probably, Brady and Matt are a little ahead of Stanzi right now, but they’re all working at it. They’re a good group in that room, so we feel good about them.”

[-King-]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

how many TD's did Matt Cassel throw for last season vs the Bills, Lions and Doplhins?

Cool. You cherry picked the worst games. Really great evaluator you are.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

I called that shit when he was drafted

So did I. I was hell against drafting Quinn and very vocal about it.

Originally Posted by BossChief

Stanzi > Orton+Cassel+Quinn+Palko

FYP.



(OK there's some wishful thinking in my fix.)

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by -King-

Cool. You cherry picked the worst games. Really great evaluator you are.

i just used three games from the beginning of the season.

you used the last three games.

Matt wasn't impressive at all as you see.

the way i look at it, it wouldn't take a very good QB to beat those numbers he posted in that three game stretch.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Dave

My point is Orton is better at pushing the ball down field. Something Cassel has shown to be very inconsistent with.

Originally Posted by aturnis

My point is Cassel is better at putting the ball into the endzone, especially from within' the 20. Something Orton has show to be borderline reeruned at throughout his career.

I wish we had a QB named Ortassel.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I wish we had a QB named Ortassel.

then maybe he would be a 6 million dollar QB.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname

Ask the defense.

The defense had been consistently good since week 3. It's not like adding Orton helped them really.

Cassel has a higher TD% and a lower INT%. Yeah Orton throws for more yards, but other than that, what's so impressive? Orton is also worse on 3rd downs.

I'm trying to trade in this Ford Pinto to get a Mercedes. Not trade it to get a Geo Metro. Orton is another game manager and that's not what we need.

[007]

Originally Posted by -King-

The defense had been consistently good since week 3. It's not like adding Orton helped them really.

Cassel has a higher TD% and a lower INT%. Yeah Orton throws for more yards, but other than that, what's so impressive? Orton is also worse on 3rd downs.

I'm trying to trade in this Ford Pinto to get a Mercedes. Not trade it to get a Geo Metro. Orton is another game manager and that's not what we need.

Not what we need but it is all we are going to get for the foreseeable future.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by -King-

The defense had been consistently good since week 3. It's not like adding Orton helped them really.

Cassel has a higher TD% and a lower INT%. Yeah Orton throws for more yards, but other than that, what's so impressive? Orton is also worse on 3rd downs.

I'm trying to trade in this Ford Pinto to get a Mercedes. Not trade it to get a Geo Metro. Orton is another game manager and that's not what we need.

i just hope there's a gem hidden underneath Cassel on this roster.
maybe it's Stanzi or maybe it's Quinn.
thing is we dont know for sure yet.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by -King-

The Chiefs put up 19, 13 and 7 points the games Orton started.

How is anybody impressed? In those games, we also won despite our QB same as Cassel. The defense was the reason for the wins. Not Orton.

Originally Posted by -King-

Who's in the NBC crowd? I don't see anybody pimping Cassel. I don't see anybody who would rather have Cassel than a good QB.

What I do see is people who aren't clamoring for average/shitty quarterbacks such as Orton and Quinn. And they are correct in that regard.

What do we get with Orton or Quinn? 3 more years of average play? At least with Cassel we know his time is limited and patience has worn thin.

People have already addressed these posts, but the fact is, by moving the chains, Orton allowed the defense to win games by allowing them to rest.

Cassel's 27-7 season was still a mediocre season, and he had the benefit of a healthy Charles, and an effective Thomas Jones in the first half of the season in red zone situations.

Without those options, Cassel was as ineffective in the red zone as Kyle Orton.

Orton hasn't had the benefit of an effective running game to take the pressure in the red zone to produce.

With Charles and Hillis producing on the ground for the Chiefs this season, Cassel could easily have another meidocre season similar to 2010, wwhich would earn him at least 2 more years with Pioli in charge.

Oh, and using the single flea flicker play in one game to come up with Ortion's passing yards per game average is the most dishonest argument I have ever seen on this site.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

then maybe he would be a 6 million dollar QB.

Not unless his name actually was Ricky Ortassel.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Beats the hell out of being a member of the NBC (Nobody But Cassel) crowd.

And you are right, the QB "might already be here". That is what us ABC'ers are ready to see.

Your so called NBC crowd doesn't exist. Honestly.

I'd rather deal with Cassel this year, than to replace him with a carbon copy more or less, and waste another 3+ years.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Your so called NBC crowd doesn't exist. Honestly.

I'd rather deal with Cassel this year, than to replace him with a carbon copy more or less, and waste another 3+ years.

Do you want Quinn or Stanzi to start ahead of Cassel?

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by aturnis

What good is that if you don't score any points?

A running game featuring Charles and Hillis may help the RZ game more than the backfield of Jones and Battle.

For some silly reason I think that would have an impact.

Orton still sucks in the RZ though, but I don't doubt at all he was better than Cassel. Not good enough, but better.

Cassel is an awful 3rd down QB... and that's just crippling to an offense.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Your so called NBC crowd doesn't exist. Honestly.

I'd rather deal with Cassel this year, than to replace him with a carbon copy more or less, and waste another 3+ years.

The ABC and NBC crowds both have a pool of 3 players. Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. The crowd pulling for Stanzi or Quinn have been labeled as ABC'ers. The crowed pulling against Quinn or Stanzi would be NBC'ers. There are several here.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Coogs

The ABC and NBC crowds both have a pool of 3 players. Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. The crowd pulling for Stanzi or Quinn have been labeled as ABC'ers. The crowed pulling against Quinn or Stanzi would be NBC'ers. There are several here.

I'm pulling for Cassel.

Doesn't mean I think he will improve.