Chiefs The hypocritical analysis of Todd Haley - Page 2

**petegz28** · 09-20-2009, 10:42 PM

Week 1:

Chiefs D gives up 500 yards of O, the team committs 2 penalties, no turnovers and keeps the game close scoring 24 points by a special teams play and defensive play while only putting up 160ish yards of offense.

Pundit Analysis:

Haley has the team going in the right direction, they were disciplined and aggressive.

Week 2:

Chiefs put up 400 yards of offense, the defense only allows 160ish yards of O, the team gets 9 penalites, a rusty QB throws 2 picks and makes a terrible decision to end the 1st half and only scoring 10 points in the game. Haley takes responisibilty for things that clearly were not his fault. Something a Chiefs head coach has not done in 3 years.

Pundit Analysis:

Haley sucks, he is an embarrasment, this team lacks discipline, they are the worst in the NFL.

My analysis:

Our team looked damn good today and we kicked the crap out of a team we should have. We just had a couple things go wrong at the worst possible times. This will happen with a new team, new coach and rusty QB. All in all, if we played the same game again we route the other team. My only criticism of Haley in the Raiders game was the prevent defense at the end of the game. Other than that, we man-handled a team that man-handled the alleged Super Bowl favorite SD Chargers a week ago.

All in all, this team is heading in the right direction and today sucked. But I still saw promise in our team. A promise we haven't seen in the last 3 years.

DBOSHO · 09-20-2009, 11:00 PM

i think its easy to put the blame on the hc

the truth is, that its cassels and pendergasts fault.

cassels throw at the end of the half is unexcusable. if he throws it away, he gets at least 1 more try at the endzone. also, the 2nd pick wasnt too great. engram was a little open and cassel just overthrew him. another missed attempt at some points. i will cut him some slack though. it was his 1st game in a month.

clancy once again ****s up out of a win. the blitz was working all game, so why he chose not to blitz an error prone qb on 3rd and ****ing 15 puzzles me. he called a pretty good game up until the final drive.

i guess i can throw flowers in as well. that pick 6 has to be caught

after ive had some time to think about it, overall, im very proud of the way the team played today. lets face it, we beat the piss out of the raiders, but a few breaks, mental errors, and some terrible TERRIBLE calls by the refs cost us the game.

chiefs victories-0
chiefs moral victories-2

aturnis · 09-20-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

My only criticism of Haley in the Raiders game was the prevent defense at the end of the game.

Blame Pendergast. He's calling the defense and went conservative this week. He all out blitzed last week and that's what lost the game. He was just too scared to make that same mistake.

I say, you can still blitz and not send 9 of you 11 players. I can't remember exactly how many he sent on that play last week, but I'm pretty sure that both safeties evacuated the deep middle of the field. Leaving the corners one on one with their men. Carr got beat and that was it. Thing about that play was, even if car gets beat, the chances of Flacco completing the pass were 50/50.

**petegz28** · 09-20-2009, 11:03 PM

The bottom line is, there is no call for the 180 on Haley that some people are having.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-20-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

The bottom line is, there is no call for the 180 on Haley that some people are having.

Really?

Because I spent all last season on this board reading how the Head Coach is responsible for EVERYTHING that takes place.

Let me make something PERFECTLY CLEAR: The following is NOT a defense of Herman Edwards.

When clock/time out management was an issue, it was HERM'S FAULT.

When the playcalling was questionable, it was HERM'S FAULT.

When the players made mistakes, it was HERM'S FAULT.

Guess what, dude. The same shit is happening in 2009, and with 30 different players.

Haley hasn't done anything to deserve the pass your giving him, especially considering I spent the summer reading that we'd win more games this year based on coaching alone.

**RealSNR** · 09-21-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

A team that:

-Loses the turnover battle (-2)

-Racks up 400+ yards of offense, but only 10 points

-Committed NINE penalties for 70 yards

-Loses to a team that only manages 166 yards of offense, with a QB that was completing passes at a 30% clip

LOOKED DAMN GOOD TODAY?

The Steelers' offense oftentimes racks up yards and yards of offense with a point total less than two TD's worth to show for it.

Just saying....

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-21-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

The Steelers' offense oftentimes racks up yards and yards of offense with a point total less than two TD's worth to show for it.

Just saying....

The Steelers have game-changers all over their roster.

That's the difference.

Hammock Parties · 09-21-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

In position to win is the same shit that happened all of last year, I remember numerous people saying we'd win alot of those games now cause Haley is a better coach than Herm.

In this case I think it's true.

I guess you can fault Haley for rushing four guys, but then again last week he rushed eight and got beat all the same.

The talent level on the team sucks. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

mikey23545 · 09-21-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Really?

Because I spent all last season on this board reading how the Head Coach is responsible for EVERYTHING that takes place.

Let me make something PERFECTLY CLEAR: The following is NOT a defense of Herman Edwards.

When clock/time out management was an issue, it was HERM'S FAULT.

When the playcalling was questionable, it was HERM'S FAULT.

When the players made mistakes, it was HERM'S FAULT.

Guess what, dude. The same shit is happening in 2009, and with 30 different players.

Haley hasn't done anything to deserve the pass your giving him, especially considering I spent the summer reading that we'd win more games this year based on coaching alone.

Finally - a truthspeaker.

It's going to be hard for a lot of posters on this BB to understand another reason Haley is going to catch a lot of shit, and deserves it...A majority of posters in this thread who are sticking up for Haley are immature, arrogant, condescending pricks just like him...And they can never understand that when you constantly treat people like absolute shit, and act like you are doing them a favor just to acknowledge their existence, you better be ready for some payback if your mouth writes a check your coaching ass can't cash....Don't think anyone is going to cut you any slack after you've done the "Genius Strut" all over their face...

Marcellus · 09-21-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

In position to win is the same shit that happened all of last year, I remember numerous people saying we'd win alot of those games now cause Haley is a better coach than Herm.

We got blown out by the same Raider team at home last year and could not stop the run.

I would say there was marked improvement.

Marcellus · 09-21-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Really?

Because I spent all last season on this board reading how the Head Coach is responsible for EVERYTHING that takes place.

Let me make something PERFECTLY CLEAR: The following is NOT a defense of Herman Edwards.

When clock/time out management was an issue, it was HERM'S FAULT.

When the playcalling was questionable, it was HERM'S FAULT.

When the players made mistakes, it was HERM'S FAULT.

Guess what, dude. The same shit is happening in 2009, and with 30 different players.

Haley hasn't done anything to deserve the pass your giving him, especially considering I spent the summer reading that we'd win more games this year based on coaching alone.

Herm was an idiot and a ton of the complaints were about the busts that he drafted.

**the Talking Can** · 09-21-2009, 06:36 AM

so haley's second game makes him the same as Herm coaching in his 7th season?

anyone see the disconnect here?

**Saulbadguy** · 09-21-2009, 06:39 AM

No pressure on the QB.
Below average game by our QB.
Below average running game.

Blah - looked like more of the same.

**BigRedChief** · 09-21-2009, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

so haley's second game makes him the same as Herm coaching in his 7th season?

anyone see the disconnect here?

THIS!

I'm not defending the guy or think he's just wonderful but, he might be HermII and he might turn out to be a good NFL coach. After two games I think its a little early to determine. For all of our sakes we had better hope its the latter.

**Saulbadguy** · 09-21-2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

THIS!

I'm not defending the guy or think he's just wonderful but, he might be HermII and he might turn out to be a good NFL coach. After two games I think its a little early to determine. For all of our sakes we had better hope its the latter.

For the record, I don't mind Haley.

We just have glaring personnel issues at nearly every position.

**BigRedChief** · 09-21-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

For the record, I don't mind Haley.

We just have glaring personnel issues at nearly every position.

I agree and if Cassel and Jackson are busts then he's the blame for those choices but the rest of the players wern't on his watch. It's obvious to me that King Carl has left the cover bare and its going to take a while to replinsh the talent.

09-20-2009, 10:42 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2834127	The hypocritical analysis of Todd Haley Week 1: Chiefs D gives up 500 yards of O, the team committs 2 penalties, no turnovers and keeps the game close scoring 24 points by a special teams play and defensive play while only putting up 160ish yards of offense. Pundit Analysis: Haley has the team going in the right direction, they were disciplined and aggressive. Week 2: Chiefs put up 400 yards of offense, the defense only allows 160ish yards of O, the team gets 9 penalites, a rusty QB throws 2 picks and makes a terrible decision to end the 1st half and only scoring 10 points in the game. Haley takes responisibilty for things that clearly were not his fault. Something a Chiefs head coach has not done in 3 years. Pundit Analysis: Haley sucks, he is an embarrasment, this team lacks discipline, they are the worst in the NFL. My analysis: Our team looked damn good today and we kicked the crap out of a team we should have. We just had a couple things go wrong at the worst possible times. This will happen with a new team, new coach and rusty QB. All in all, if we played the same game again we route the other team. My only criticism of Haley in the Raiders game was the prevent defense at the end of the game. Other than that, we man-handled a team that man-handled the alleged Super Bowl favorite SD Chargers a week ago. All in all, this team is heading in the right direction and today sucked. But I still saw promise in our team. A promise we haven't seen in the last 3 years.
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09-20-2009, 11:00 PM	#16
DBOSHO trap champ Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	i think its easy to put the blame on the hc the truth is, that its cassels and pendergasts fault. cassels throw at the end of the half is unexcusable. if he throws it away, he gets at least 1 more try at the endzone. also, the 2nd pick wasnt too great. engram was a little open and cassel just overthrew him. another missed attempt at some points. i will cut him some slack though. it was his 1st game in a month. clancy once again **s up out of a win. the blitz was working all game, so why he chose not to blitz an error prone qb on 3rd and **ing 15 puzzles me. he called a pretty good game up until the final drive. i guess i can throw flowers in as well. that pick 6 has to be caught after ive had some time to think about it, overall, im very proud of the way the team played today. lets face it, we beat the piss out of the raiders, but a few breaks, mental errors, and some terrible TERRIBLE calls by the refs cost us the game. chiefs victories-0 chiefs moral victories-2 __________________ Orginator of the group repost
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09-20-2009, 11:03 PM	#18
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2834127	The bottom line is, there is no call for the 180 on Haley that some people are having.
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	so haley's second game makes him the same as Herm coaching in his 7th season? anyone see the disconnect here? __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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09-21-2009, 06:39 AM	#27
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $2676966	No pressure on the QB. Below average game by our QB. Below average running game. Blah - looked like more of the same.
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