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Liberals... What exactly are you afraid of?

We've seen the supposedly calm-and-cool flower children of the left morph from self-proclaimed peace loving people to ravenous angry old wo/men now that Hillary lost. So far all we've heard are claims that Donald Trump is terrible and the worst person in the world.

We all know he grabbed the pussy of a woman who wasn't bothered by it enough to file against him; is that what's so bad that he'll end the world? He's rich?

What's he going to do, or undo, that's going to end the world? What progress has happened that's now going to be stopped or reversed/undone?

Can you please be more specific, what are you afraid of?

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Old 12-23-2016, 09:00 AM   #46
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I always got a kick out of Bernie Sanders saying he would make all college free. Now that would really dilute the system. Are they going to make Harvard free too? At some point, some elite school wouldn't be free. And all those idiots going to free tax paid for schools would be wasting their time, compared to the kids going to high dollar elite schools. Southeastern Snowflake Community College degree would just be then laughed at by employers.
The curriculums would eventually become government controlled too. This is the ruse the left uses, to put everyone under their thumb creating a compliant citizenry. The latter of which HiLiaRy wrote she wanted in one of those leaked emails.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:02 AM   #47
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Did you see the new reality show being created by A&E Entertainment called "Generation KKK."
lol, who watches A&E?

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What are you talking about after Obama planned to restore civil liberties?
He's prosecuted more leaks to the press than his predecessors.

Freedom of the press does not mean the freedom to libel someone....and our SC has agreed including on a case involving a politician who won.

He's gonna get around those lying scum with rallies and twitter.
I would have thought a Libertarian would be very much against further restrictions on speech, guess I learn something new every day.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:10 AM   #48
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lol, who watches A&E?
You do know that markets are fragmented right?

They're still there, so there must be a market for them.


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I would have thought a Libertarian would be very much against further restrictions on speech, guess I learn something new every day.
I'm not a libertarian and have said so many times. Please read.

I didn't see Trump calling to passing any law that restricts speech. You do know that right has a few limits on it like libel, slander and yelling fire in a crowded room though right?
A person would have to prove there was actual libel to win a case.

I did see a law that infringes the First Amendment for dealing with Fake News, ( what the govt would consider fake) that was stuck onto another bill that does that by our current congress, expected to be signed by Obama.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:27 AM   #49
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I didn't see Trump calling to passing any law that restricts speech. You do know that right has a few limits on it like libel, slander and yelling fire in a crowded room though right?a.
Yes. Trump has called for expanding the range of things that can be called libel so he can sue news outlets that hurt his feelings. I would think small government conservatives would be very strongly opposed.
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Yes. Trump has called for expanding the range of things that can be called libel so he can sue news outlets that hurt his feelings. I would think small government conservatives would be very strongly opposed.
Please link specifics since you have a tendency to exaggerate.

He also may not get it passed either. Or the courts can strike it down. You do realize we have checks-and-balances for such things right?

And where did I say I agreed with each and everything Trump has said he'd do? Nowhere.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:35 AM   #51
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Yes. Trump has called for expanding the range of things that can be called libel so he can sue news outlets that hurt his feelings. I would think small government conservatives would be very strongly opposed.
I would think politically engaged people would realize that 'calling for' changes in something that the courts have already defined is not how changes occur in America.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:39 AM   #52
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Although Donald Trump called himself a “supporter” of LGBTQ rights, his cabinet and senior staff will include some of the most anti-gay politicians in the country.
Might I suggest that "balance" is what they seek? It's clear I'm a conservative and a supporter of the gay community, but what we've seen over the last 8 years isn't balanced.

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On one of the biggest decisions a president can make, the selection of a Supreme Court Justice, Trump suggested he might make same-sex marriage a litmus test for his choice. In January, he told Fox News he would “strongly consider” appointing Supreme Court justices who would overturn the 2015 decision allowing same-sex marriage. He’s also said he would appoint a justice like the late Antonin Scalia. Scalia, you may recall, wrote a blistering dissent against the same-sex marriage ruling, and has ruled against legalizing sodomy.
I'm pretty sure every candidate would have "what's your stance on the whole gay thing" on their list of questions/research for a SCOTUS candidate. I sure as hell would! Few people want a gay-hater on the SCOTUS. Wouldn't you?

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But, then, Trump says a lot of things he doesn’t remember saying. Many people in the know say that his views on many issues are all over the place, and he’s likely to follow the advice of the person he last talked to.
Are you accusing him of having both a public and private opinion? You know as a liberal you have to agree that have both is part of what makes you "qualified" to be POTUS. I'm not saying he has both a public and private position, I'm just saying it's off the table for liberals to accuse some of.


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So let’s consider some of the people – some deadly serious about rolling back gay rights – who will have his ear and are likely to pursue their agenda independently within their domains.
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Jeff Sessions

The Attorney General is the top law enforcement officer and lawyer for the U.S. government. He or she is expected to protect Americans and not have animus against certain groups – like the LGBTQ community, women and people of color. So it is a concern that the Human Rights Campaign has given Sessions a “zero percent” voting record on LGBT rights.

This record goes beyond voting for a failed constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and against the repeal of “Don’t ask don’t tell,” as Sessions did, and includes his opposition to expanding the definition of a hate crime to include LGBTQ people. As head of the Justice Department, Sessions could undermine hate crime protections and undo Obama’s directive to schools not to discriminate against transgender students.
No AG can be more racist and anti-American than the last two. Those two are the very definition of hate crimes in the human form. Their anti-white, anti-men, and outright dereliction of duty/stirring the pot/turning a blind eye, should go down in history as being everything they once claimed to want to get rid of.

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Ben Carson

The former pediatric brain surgeon and failed GOP candidate for President has some, to put it politely, interesting views on many things, including his theory that the pyramids in Egypt were constructed for storing grain. On LGBTQ rights, he’s notably hostile, saying that sexual orientation is a choice, comparing gay sex to bestiality, and opining that LGBTQs have more rights than Christians in America. He’s the choice for Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Secretary. He’s also opposed to non-discrimination laws of all kind, laws he would be tasked with enforcing. As HUD Secretary he could rescind a 2012 rule prohibiting anti-LGBT discrimination in federally funded housing for low-income people, as one example.
He's out there, but he's a good man. As we all knew from his days when he was running, his brain is usually too many steps in front of his mouth to effectively communicate. But hey, he's black, where's the credit for that?

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Betsy DeVos

The billionaire Republican donor Betsy DeVos is not only anti-public school – we’re noticing a trend of nominating those who are opposed to the mission of the cabinets they would lead – she’s also an antigay activist. Her family has donated to anti-gay groups, including groups that advocate for the widely discredited conversion therapy to “cure” gays of their same-sex attraction.

LGBTQ kids have reason for concern, as Devos could remove the protection of favorable guidance in schools, including the Department of Education’s letters that have taken a strong stand against antigay and ant-trans policies in school districts.
I too share some concern here. Not because of the LBGTQ stuff (schools need to quit being about everything but teaching!), but because of her stance on public schools. I'll agree that even she and Trump are simply not addressing the issue, and their solution won't fox it. The problem with schools are the parents, they're just failing their kids. And I'll avoid a rant, but I'd ask why the "tools" (getting rid of the problem kids) can't just be afforded to public schools. We all know that's the end-game here, but whatever they're going to allow these other schools to do should be afforded to the public schools. So spend time fixing that, and less time worrying about what happens to the disruptive kid who's removed. We'll see, but I'll be watching this one closely too.

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Steve Bannon

As Trump’s top White House adviser not subject to Congressional confirmation, Steve Bannon will have the President’s ear. He’s been getting deserved consternation for his views on race and his alleged coddling of white supremacists. But as the chairman of Breitbart News Network, he also signed off on antigay stories, with headlines like “Gay Rights Have Made Us Dumber, It’s Time to Get Back in the Closet.”
Really? Your girl was well funded by people in the middle-east! Let's not go overboard!

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Mike Pence

And then there’s Vice President-elect Mike Pence. As Indiana governor, Pence signed a controversial “license to discriminate” bill that allowed business to refuse service to LGBTQ people. As a Congressman, he urged lawmakers to “oppose any effort to put gay and lesbian relationships on an equal legal status.”

“One thing we know is that Pence is deeply devoted to undermining the human and civil rights of the LGBTQ community,” writes Emily Hauser in The Week. Hauser says Americans should pay close attention to what Pence does, as he’s already playing an outsized role in the administration, almost a shadow President.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/10/st...ce-homophobic/


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It’s become clear that as far as broad public opinion goes, the equality train has left the station. A solid majority of Americans approves of same-sex marriage. The Pew poll even found that 51 percent think that a person should use the restroom that corresponds to his or her gender identity. In North Carolina, Republican Gov. Pat McCrory was defeated, likely for pushing House Bill 2, the infamous “bathroom bill,” that brought an economic backlash to the state.
As OK as I am with gays, I have concerns about the bathroom bill. Not because I'm afraid of some hot chick peeing in the pisser next to me (which happened to me in a downtown Atlanta bar in 1990), I'm concerned that it'll create a situation for our societies freaks. Call me paranoid, whatever! But my neighbor has two beautiful young daughters, I'm not willing to allow their safety to be diminished, even a little bit, because 1-1000th of 1% of kids don't feel comfortable going to their birth assigned bathroom. But that's the balance I'm referring to. While I won't support any bullshit about telling gays they can't be around, I'm not thinking it's OK to allow 17 and 18 year old boys in the bathroom with 14 year old girls (the ranges of kids in high schools) because they're a perv and willing to say they identify as a girl.

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But the general public doesn’t make laws. And this election, we’re told, turned on economic anxiety of the white working class (and as I and others have pointed out, white resentment). LGBTQ rights were not well-explored in the general campaign, possibly because so many of the gains under the Obama administration were considered “settled.” But let’s be honest, nothing is ever settled.
Perhaps Hillary should have had her peeps install those as questions in the debates.. After all, as we come to find out, she was the only one with an inside track on the debates!

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There are many unknowns in the upcoming administration. I would say, ignore what the administration says – and please, for the sake of your sanity, ignore the tweets – and look closely at what it does. LGBTQ rights can be rolled back. Without close scrutiny and, if necessary, public outcry, the civil rights gains of this community could recede like the tide.
Every new administration comes with unknowns, how is that new? We can only pray that things don't fall apart with the Trump administration like they did with Barry's.

But thank you for your reply, I feel we're at least discussing specifics for a change.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:41 AM   #53
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For the life of me, I can't understand why gay people fear Trump. It's completely irrational.
Obama seemed to appease the gay community (or at least gave them a megaphone) like no other president. It seems that all of my gay friends and relatives are afraid of losing the voice they've had the last few years. I can sympathize with that, no one likes losing power.

I will say though, Obama gave small and fringe groups (not just gay) way too much influence over the direction of the nation. I understand doing what is right in some circumstances, but pushing an agenda too far really snapped back and stung the dem party this last election. If much of this was started at a grassroots and state level and built from there, it would have much more tolerable for the nation as a whole.
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...201-story.html

another reason the left is pissed is trump's cabinet is full of climate change rich a-holes who pump oil

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...201-story.html

There pretty much the exact opposite of what Theodore Roosevelt fought there anti environment pro oil
Yeah, this is going to be an issue... And I've already ruled on it, Global Warming is a non-issue and not admissible as an issue.

I think I've made it clear that Global Warming was pretty fake (see, the rocks at Rudee Inlet are still where they were in the 70's Global Cooling scare!!), and the left won't let go. I'm all for developing energy saving stuff, but not at the expense of living life.

And I sure as hell think us drilling our own oil, thus sending/putting the Middle East assholes in their place, makes a lot of sense.

Might I offer that instead of free college, we spend the money on STEM programs for kids and colleges to ensure we provide nearly endless funding to help them do great things.

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Old 12-23-2016, 09:54 AM   #55
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I would think the list of what they'll need information on is very long.. What's the fear here, that they get the numbers that the government they're about to run produced?

But you bring up something interesting, one has to wonder how many shredders the Obama administration ordered on Nov 9th? Did they hire-in Al North to show them how to shred things, but this time for bad reasons?
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:57 AM   #56
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He's not going to end the world. The planet is stronger than humanity and any species on it.

I think there are any number of policy positions Trump embraces that could cause serious concern.

The biggest is probably his temperament. Even Trump supporters acknowledge that he's incredibly volatile. There is a fear among many people who aren't in the Trump bubble that we could flirt with armed conflict in the future based off little more than flare-ups in Trump's incredible temper. While I'd probably put the odds of nuclear war very low, nuclear war threatens humanity more than any other threat, and putting someone with Trump's complete lack of temperamental restraint in charge of pushing the button isn't comforting, to say the least.

Probably the other, biggest global concern is climate change. We're at a very precarious spot in the world's ability to combat climate change. The longer we wait, the more severe action we're going to have to take in the future or risk serious, global consequences that will reach every shore. At the very least, we're talking severe humanitarian risk down the road if nothing is done. Fortunately, much of the world community is acting, but that can potentially be undone if the world sees the United States go balls deep on carbon-spewing energy and seemingly ready to shun alternative energy.

Those are probably the biggest concerns.

Trump's seeming comfort with the US defaulting on its debts, his seemingly complete indifference to the cause of minorities, and the threats his administration is going to pose to the health and livelihood of public education are very real, and very serious. To say nothing of the fact that he all-but-guarantees a Supreme Court that will protect the wealthy's ability to try buying elections.

There's plenty of reasons for people to feel anxiety over the incoming Trump administration.

I'm more optimistic; Trump's administration will probably be terrible and a Democrat could sweep into power with possible majorities in 2020. The courts are on the verge of cracking down on gerrymandering. The Republicans will likely weaken the filibuster over the next four years, making legislation easier in the future.

Much of what Trump will do can be reversed. That won't alleviate the real time suffering we'll see, but it could at least give future generations a shot.
You can't be in your right mind if your concern is "temperament", but you think Hillary would have been better. I think her lashings-out are well documented, and she was somebody NOBODY should want with the football. She's 23746947646393x more scary that Trump when it comes to anger issues.
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I always got a kick out of Bernie Sanders saying he would make all college free. Now that would really dilute the system. Are they going to make Harvard free too? At some point, some elite school wouldn't be free. And all those idiots going to free tax paid for schools would be wasting their time, compared to the kids going to high dollar elite schools. Southeastern Snowflake Community College degree would just be then laughed at by employers.
Far too few people can see passed the "they'd all get free stuff" angle. But yes, if a college degree became the norm, a masters would become more of the minimum than it is today.

Hey, I would have loved it if Bernie would have paid me back for my kid's college, or even just taken over payments on January 21st. But I'll bet that my race, gender and income, not to mention my son's race and gender, would have become a factor before S&T diverted the bill from Lee's Summit to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave... Not that they send a paper bill, but you get my point...
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Now the Rockette organization has agreed to perform at inauguration, and dancers are threatening to strike.
Given the nature and the culture of "the arts", I'm not surprised they're upset. And that's cool.

As for those idiots wanting Ivanka to take down their art, well 1) **** them, and 2) their art looks shitty (so they should thank Ivanka for donating to their not starving to death). But it's clear, they're no Michelangelo...

Here's the rule we should all live by, if GloryDayze can't paint it/make it, it's not art!
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Old 12-23-2016, 10:15 AM   #59
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Liberals... What exactly are you afraid of?
EVERYTHING.

And you pointing it out is sexist/racist/bigoted and shows you don't respect other cultures.

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH...
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