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Old 02-15-2018, 05:53 PM  
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Sources: College hoops corruption case poised to take down top College BB Teams

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Sources: College hoops corruption case poised to take down Hall of Fame coaches, top programs, lottery picks

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NEW YORK – It has been five months since the FBI arrested 10 men in a sweeping federal probe into the underbelly of the basketball world. As the three ongoing criminal cases resulting from the investigation plod along, it’s increasingly unlikely there will be another wave of double-digit arrests.

More legal charges still could come, but what’s becoming increasingly clear as the discovery portion of the case comes to a close is that the breadth of potential NCAA rules violations uncovered is wide enough to fundamentally and indelibly alter the sport of college basketball.

The soundtrack to the three federal basketball corruption cases is essentially a ticking time bomb, which will inevitably explode. It will impact every major conference, Hall of Fame coaches, a score of current top players and some of the nation’s most distinguished and respected programs.

Multiple sources who’ve been briefed on the case and are familiar with the material obtained by feds told Yahoo Sports that the impact on the sport will be substantial and relentless. Sitting under protective order right now are the fruits of 330 days of monitoring activity by the feds, which one assistant US Attorney noted Thursday was “a voluminous amount of material.” That includes wiretaps from 4,000 intercepted calls and thousands of documents and bank records obtained from raids and confiscated computers, including those from notorious NBA agent Andy Miller.

“This goes a lot deeper in college basketball than four corrupt assistant coaches,” said a source who has been briefed on the details of the case. “When this all comes out, Hall of Fame coaches should be scared, lottery picks won’t be eligible to play and almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated.”

There’s a general expectation that this information will be released. It could come in trial, pre-trial motions or released by the government at some point. (No one is certain if they’ve agreed to eventually give it to the NCAA if it doesn’t go public.)

So how bad could be it? In terms of NCAA rules, multiple sources told Yahoo Sports that the material obtained threatens the fundamental structure and integrity of the sport, as there’s potentially as many 50 college basketball programs that could end up compromised in some way.
Among the documents expected to be in the federal government’s protection are the bank records of Miller, who bankrolled middle man, Christian Dawkins, who is at the center of two of the cases.

“If the NCAA is going to get Andy Miller’s bank records, God bless them, I don’t know what they’re going to do,” said another source with direct knowledge of the situation, chuckling at the thought. “You are better off changing the rules. The crazy part of this business is none of the kids are free.”

NCAA officials are staring at the prospect of a tournament with a winner that will likely be vacating its title – and many others eventually vacating their appearances. There’s a lingering mushroom cloud over the sport’s upcoming showcase event that won’t go away. The most fascinating and tricky variable here is time.

There’s a protective order on the evidence found in discovery in all three cases. Whether the information gets out in dribs and drabs or released at once, the consequences are expected to be severe.

The government is not compelled to release the information, according to Daniel Richman, a former federal prosecutor in the Southern District of New York who now teaches at Columbia Law School. “Sometimes never,” he said when asked generally about the timing of the release of information under protective order. He added: “The main sources of release will be in the course of pretrial motions and trial, and/or as related investigations go overt.”
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:09 PM   #61
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College hoops is easy. Open up the pocket book and you instantly turn the program around.
mu finally gets the wallet out for MP Jr. and he breaks on them. I'm sure the check still cleared. Typical tigger luck.
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:17 PM   #62
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That's a nice fantasy. Thamel's sources tell him this involves elite programs paying to get players and stay at the top.

If Duke and UNC and Kentucky are paying to get players, so is ku.

All these guys get paid. I actually don't have a problem with it. Just don't pretend ku is above the fray.

You don't get ***** or Top 100 players unless you're kicking something to the families.
This is going to clean out the NCAA. KU included.

Good. That organization is coming close to FIFA in terms of being complete and utter scum.
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Old 02-17-2018, 03:57 PM   #63
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This is going to clean out the NCAA. KU included.

Good. That organization is coming close to FIFA in terms of being complete and utter scum.
How is it that the NCAA is corrupt when its the shoe companies who are paying the kids? The NCAA is left having to deal with vetting this stuff, which is extremely difficult. This all has to do with the NBA forcing the NCAA to be NBAs free no cost minor league system. All the NBA has to do to be ethical is to pay G league players reasonable wages. The NBA is the most complicit in all of this, by exploiting colleges and the NCAA. The most ridiculous age discrimination tactic is used, and they get away with it. This is not the same as other businesses requiring a degree or certain credentials. The NBA discriminates SOLELY based on age, and nobody cares. And people blame the NCAA and colleges.

I actually have no problems with kids getting paid. But its not the colleges that have to pay anyone. Its a choice you can make to go to college or not. Im all about choices. Nobody is tricking you. If you go, abide by the rules. If not go to a pro league. Simple as that.

If I had to pick a way for this to be done, it would be for the colleges to not pay the players but to allow kids to profit from outside sources on their name and likeness. Allow them to charge for interviews, autographs, shoe deals. Fine. But at no point does a school owe anyone anything.
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Old 02-17-2018, 04:59 PM   #64
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How is it that the NCAA is corrupt .
I don't know, dude. I kind of think folding on delivering punishments for Penn State, Michigan State, Baylor, and Vanderbilt - all colleges that were complicit in covering up horrific and proven sexual violence - I kind of think the NCAA deserves to hang.

If we're talking about the current topic, the NCAA folding on delivering any real punishment to Syracuse and North Carolina for their proven academic abuses was also pretty despicable.

Remember, they gave SMU the death penalty for paying some guys.

It's been obvious that the NCAA has been looking the other way on some pretty despicable crimes for a long time. Let em' burn.
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:38 PM   #65
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I'm pretty sure that we're going to see a growing trend of the best HS players playing overseas for a year before joining the NBA. NCAA is a lot of fun, fans are great, and college atmosphere is tough to pass up on but the best of the best should get paid after 18 and NCAA will never offer them an equitable deal.

If you bust out, have a career ending injury, or whatever...at least you made enough $ overseas to pay your way through college.
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After watching Silver’s PC tonight I wouldn’t expect any kind of change to the 1 and done rule anytime soon.
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Old 02-17-2018, 07:43 PM   #67
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I'm pretty sure that we're going to see a growing trend of the best HS players playing overseas for a year before joining the NBA. NCAA is a lot of fun, fans are great, and college atmosphere is tough to pass up on but the best of the best should get paid after 18 and NCAA will never offer them an equitable deal.

If you bust out, have a career ending injury, or whatever...at least you made enough $ overseas to pay your way through college.
At the present time, usually the value of the NCAA basketball exposure > making money playing overseas. Because if it didn't, top players would ALWAYS go to Europe. They must value the exposure that NCAA Basketball gives them and it's a great place to improve your game to develop under some great coaches and programs.
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Full-time job my ass. There isn’t a Division 1 athlete in the country who is “working” on their sport 10-12 hours per day like most construction workers and roofers in your dumb ass analogy.

The degree mill argument is dumb ass well. If the athlete isn’t smart enough or willing to work hard enough to advance towards a legitimate degree, they have options besides playing college athletics. Life isn’t fair and it isn’t easy. If you want something bad enough, you’ll put in the work to achieve it.
First: Let me say, these kids get a tremendous benefit. It's very valuable. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is it's difficult to take FULL advantage of it, especially during the season, because of the demands on your time with your sport. What I'm saying is that when they're generating BILLIONS of dollars and literally making ALL D1 college athletics possible... maybe it's not so bad to throw them bigger stipends so they feel compensated and so there's less incentive for the players to look for illegal benefits.

As for the comparisons... Are you aware of what the daily schedule looks like for a college football player in-season?

Strength and conditioning is 2 hours, typically
Actual practice is technically limited to 20 hours/week, but they don't practice on Saturday or Sunday (that works out to 5 hours a day)
Then there's the study/prep sessions for the next game (Add another hour/day, supposed to be limited to the 20 hour limit but never is)

That puts them at full work days M-F. Plus school. Most athletes take 12 hours in season. That means 12 hours of class over the course of 5 school days.

They get more of a break in the non-season semester, but they still typically have 2-3 hours/day committed to strength and conditioning and offseason work... and then for football, there's spring football, where the schedule is exactly what it is above.

That's why they get pushed into degree programs that are diploma mills, because where, amidst all of that, are they going to find time to take real classes and actually have time to attend them and study for them?
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First: Let me say, these kids get a tremendous benefit. It's very valuable. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is it's difficult to take FULL advantage of it, especially during the season, because of the demands on your time with your sport. What I'm saying is that when they're generating BILLIONS of dollars and literally making ALL D1 college athletics possible... maybe it's not so bad to throw them bigger stipends so they feel compensated and so there's less incentive for the players to look for illegal benefits.

As for the comparisons... Are you aware of what the daily schedule looks like for a college football player in-season?

Strength and conditioning is 2 hours, typically
Actual practice is technically limited to 20 hours/week, but they don't practice on Saturday or Sunday (that works out to 5 hours a day)
Then there's the study/prep sessions for the next game (Add another hour/day, supposed to be limited to the 20 hour limit but never is)

That puts them at full work days M-F. Plus school. Most athletes take 12 hours in season. That means 12 hours of class over the course of 5 school days.

They get more of a break in the non-season semester, but they still typically have 2-3 hours/day committed to strength and conditioning and offseason work... and then for football, there's spring football, where the schedule is exactly what it is above.

That's why they get pushed into degree programs that are diploma mills, because where, amidst all of that, are they going to find time to take real classes and actually have time to attend them and study for them?
One benefit you didn't mention. Even though they may get a degree but failed to really learn the material, because they are an athletic alumni they will get jobs or promotions in the real world that if they were just John Doe, they would need some sort of merit to receive that job or promotion.
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Exclusive: Federal documents detail sweeping potential NCAA violations involving high-profile players, schools
There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools.


Big names up in there.
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There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools.


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