New Apple Tablet

[dirk digler]

Cool stuff. On Engadget live right now

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/l...est&refresh=30

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Ari Chi3fs

what does that mean?

If you know my name, check out the domain whois, beeeyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch. :-P

And I've had over 20 people write for it, so far. :-D

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by Laz

wow ... i've never seen AustinChiefs get passionate about anything and he's ready to pull a gat and throw down over this IPad stuff.

Don't get him started on smoking bans... that's another hot button issue for him.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by NewPhin

Don't get him started on smoking bans... that's another hot button issue for him.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

COME ON? seriously? so, let's say I buy the HTC EVO in June, I MAY have to download flash ONCE then never again... as oppossed to going thru that clusterfuck I described above EVERY SINGLE TIME...

Please. Let's not be stupid here.

It's no more stupid than suggesting that you will need a separate app for every website's video content.

On my iPhone, the steps I went through to enable flash consisted of (step 1) download iMobileCinema plugin (step 2) watch Flash videos from all sites.

It's a simple one time install, just like what you MAY expect from the EVO.

[Mr. Laz]

and why not some kind of USB port?

now Apple is saying it's not a eReader it's a data transport


a data transport without USB?


btw is Apple already talking about a price cut?

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

It's no more stupid than suggesting that you will need a separate app for every website's video content.

On my iPhone, the steps I went through to enable flash consisted of (step 1) download iMobileCinema plugin (step 2) watch Flash videos from all sites.

It's a simple one time install, just like what you MAY expect from the EVO.

so, you had to jalibreak the phone to make it do what you needed?

Let's stick with what the device manufacturer gave you... not what you made out of it. What you are saying is that the phone didn't work right .. so you jumped thru hoops to MAKE IT show you FLASH... because , as I have argued... you and many others will run across FLASH content that you want to view while browsing.

Thank you for supporting my argument.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

so, you had to jalibreak the phone to make it do what you needed?

Let's stick with what the device manufacturer gave you... not what you made out of it. What you are saying is that the phone didn't work right .. so you jumped thru hoops to MAKE IT show you FLASH... because , as I have argued... you and many others will run across FLASH content that you want to view while browsing.

Thank you for supporting my argument.

OK then....

Your computer manufacturer didn't give you Flash for you computer. The first time you booted your computer, it didn't work right either. So you're jumping through hoops as well bud.

[teedubya]

Apple's closed OS is why I went with the Android OS and bought the Droid. I don't want any company telling me how to use my device and what I can do on it.

And to think, Apple started out as open-source back in the day. Then they became evil and greedy.

Apple will fall back to irrelevance as soon as Jobs dies. Which probably isn't too far away.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

OK then....

Your computer manufacturer didn't give you Flash for you computer. The first time you booted your computer, it didn't work right either. So you're jumping through hoops as well bud.

You really are starting to just look stupid.

You VIOLATED the terms of use for your phone to get it to work... as opposed to downloading an app.

Care to explain to everyone here what you had to do to get to that point?

There's a reason that less than 8% of all iPhones have been jailbroken.

btw... how does it feel that Apple now is waiting on a ruling so that they can SUE you for doing just that?

In response to this, Apple filed comments opposing this exemption and indicating that they do consider jailbreaking to be a violation of copyright (and by implication prosecutable under the DMCA). A ruling on this proposed exemption has not yet been made, but a decision is expected sometime later in 2010.

Let's stick to what the phone/pad was sold to do and not hacks...

[Fish]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

You really are starting to just look stupid.

You VIOLATED the terms of use for your phone to get it to work... as opposed to downloading an app.

Care to explain to everyone here what you had to do to get to that point?

There's a reason that less than 8% of all iPhones have been jailbroken.

btw... how does it feel that Apple now is waiting on a ruling so that they can SUE you for doing just that?



Let's stick to what the phone/pad was sold to do and not hacks...

I violated nothing. Apple "filing comments" has zero impact on me or my warranty status. Everything I've done on my phone is perfectly legal.

And it's humorous that you would call me stupid, when you were the one criticizing Apple's practices in the first place. But once I explained how easy it is to get Flash on my iPhone, you're now warning me of getting sued, instead of appreciating the fact that my actions go against the very thing you so vehemently deplore about Apple. I'm going against Apple's wishes and easily solving the criticism you're piling on Apple, but you'd rather just continue to argue instead of acknowledging legit workarounds.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

I violated nothing. Apple "filing comments" has zero impact on me or my warranty status. Everything I've done on my phone is perfectly legal.

And it's humorous that you would call me stupid, when you were the one criticizing Apple's practices in the first place. But once I explained how easy it is to get Flash on my iPhone, you're now warning me of getting sued, instead of appreciating the fact that my actions go against the very thing you so vehemently deplore about Apple. I'm going against Apple's wishes and easily solving the criticism you're piling on Apple, but you'd rather just continue to argue instead of acknowledging legit workarounds.

#1 it isn't a "legit" workaround... it's a violation of their terms of use
#2 I appreciate that you did it, if I owned one I would too, I would rather just not own one instead.
#3 I am not "warning" you, I am pointing out that the company whose product you are defending is looking for ways to sue you for making it USABLE
#4 The lack of FLASH is just one of MANY MANY criticisms of the iPad that I have
#5 I have heard (can't verify) that iMobileCinema is extremely buggy (still in beta) and may not work on the iPad at all.
#6 we haven't started down the road of ACTUAL Flash apps... which iMobileCinema does NOT play. (although for alot of flash apps I can see that downloading an app from the app store is just the same... for some not so, but alot)

[Silock]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

gotcha, so I am happily surfing along and I come upon an interesting link that sends me to somewebsite.com where I read a cool article and see there is video embedded... with a REAL device I can (step 1) click video and watch it... OR with my iPAD I can (Step 1) exit browser (step 2) open app store (step 3) find app for that site (step 4) download app (step 5) install app (step 6) try to find content from site I was browsing happily 5 minutes ago....

WOW! You are right! I must be crazy! That is the most seemless intuitive process imaginable... why on earth would I not want to jump through those hoops every time I run across video online!!! Thank you Steve Jobs for showing me a better way to surf the web!

It's ridiculous. What you have is a really cool e-reader or more accurately an iphone with a bigger, better screen that won't fit in your pocket or make phone calls.

...and like I said, in a few months, that won't be a big deal. You can just happily click the link and watch HTML5 video. In the meantime, you can just get an app. Is it the best solution? No. But it's hardly the "OMGWTF I MUST KILL MYSELF BECAUSE THIS IS SO ****ING HARD" process you're making it out to be.

[Silock]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

There's a reason that less than 8% of all iPhones have been jailbroken.

Yes, it's because the users don't find it necessary. Clearly, you do not fall into this category. And that's okay.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Silock

...and like I said, in a few months, that won't be a big deal. You can just happily click the link and watch HTML5 video. In the meantime, you can just get an app. Is it the best solution? No. But it's hardly the "OMGWTF I MUST KILL MYSELF BECAUSE THIS IS SO ****ING HARD" process you're making it out to be.

It'll be pretty easy for the major video providers out there to switch to HTML5, but it's gonna be a while before all of the other Flash apps out there convert. Hell, the CP arcade system has thousands of games available, all of which are in Flash. It's taken years for that library to be built up - it's not just going to go away overnight.

Of course, many people don't play those types of games and wouldn't care. It still seems like an odd move when all it would take would be one minor software change to make it work.

[Silock]

Oh, I totally agree. I just think that for those small things, they won't really be missed. It's absolutely a drawback, but there are drawbacks to everything. I mean, the iPad isn't a netbook. My netbook can certainly do things the iPad can't. But the things that the iPad DOES, it does way better than my netbook can.

Reading thousand page PDFs for grad school is a pain in the ass on me netbook (that damn keyboard is always in the way and it's difficult to get into a comfortable position to read where you can still see the screen), but reading it on an iPad is a million times easier. My netbook has HDMI out and doubles as an HTPC, which is something my iPad won't be doing (even though it probably could with the right adapter, it won't do it as well as the netbook can). The battery on the iPad lasts longer than my netbook's battery (which still lasts a respectable 4.5 hours).