Have you ever used steroids, HGH, etc.?

[Saul Good]

Just curious to see who uses or has used these types of products and what your experiences were.

Did you have a specific reason for using them?

Did they work?

Did you experience any side effects?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by tooge

yeah, about 2/3 of the people I run around with smoke pot at least occasionally

What's crazy is that some of the most successful people I know have to smoke to work. I have a friend that writes 3D software that has to smoke to focus. I've seen and demoed his work (with like 1 ounce glasses with no aliasing) and its phenomenal.

It is what it is.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by PGM

Hootie?

At no point did I say I was sausage grabbing, running away from or hiding behind someone/something.

For that comment I'm upping the asparagus to stuffed mushrooms then you and I will tussel.

Like a boss.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

What cracks me up is the same guys that condone injecting literally boatloads of steroids over a lifetime in pursuit of a sex change have issues with people cycling a little for there own personal reasons. Friggen preposterous.

Steroids and performance enhancing drugs are illegal in every single sport, whether it's junior high, high school, amateur, Olympic or at the professional level.

That being the case, what's the reason for using them?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by loochy

It's very expensive though...at least it was back in my day. Cheap chinese HGH could be purchased, but it was from cadavers.

As Mickey Rourke said in The Wrestler... "gimme the russian, i dont want any of that chinese stuff."

The only thing i've ever used is creatine, which isnt really all that great imo, but i'm currently getting ready to start a major fitness push and am definitely interested in something really worthwhile, just for a short time to build up a solid base to work on and give me a quick boost to keep me motivated, age and lack of weight exercises has me way too emaciated.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

What's crazy is that some of the most successful people I know have to smoke to work. I have a friend that writes 3D software that has to smoke to focus. I've seen and demoed his work (with like 1 ounce glasses with no aliasing) and its phenomenal.

It is what it is.

So you are fine with people smoking weed illegally because they supposedly "work better" when high but you are against people using HGH because its illegal?

I mean isn't going to a Dr to get a scrip for weed to "focus" as much a sham as going to a an an aging clinic to get HGH so you can get leaner?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So you are fine with people smoking weed illegally because they supposedly "work better" when high but you are against people using HGH because its illegal?

First off, it's not illegal in California and many other states. It's only a matter of time before the Federal government acknowledges that it's up to the states. Unlike other Federal Crimes, the government isn't actively shutting down legal dispensaries, just like it didn't invalidate same-sex marriage in states where it was approved.

Secondly, I'm not "against" HGH for people that require it. Whether it's dwarfism or any other biological and/or metabolic issue, I'm certainly not "against" it.

Where I find it ridiculous is for people to purchase it illegally and have no idea what they're putting into their system, all because it might make them "look" better.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I mean isn't going to a Dr to get a scrip for weed to "focus" as much a sham as going to a an an aging clinic to get HGH so you can get leaner?

I think that most people would prefer using marijuana over Adderall, which is speed, or Xanax or any number of psychotropic drugs. Or for cancer victims to increase their appetite due to chemotherapy and radiation. Or any number of medicinal uses.

But clearly, you're way too ****ing stupid to be able to figure that out on your own, so I'm glad to be of service.

[Saul Good]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/us...anted=all&_r=0

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/us...anted=all&_r=0

Thanks for posting an article from January.

Meanwhile, I can still go down the street and pick up whatever I want.

It's only a matter of time before the Feds get on board because too many states want it legal. The biggest detractor is, of course, the pharmaceutical industry but that I say, **** 'em.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Thanks for posting an article from January.

Meanwhile, I can still go down the street and pick up whatever I want.

It's only a matter of time before the Feds get on board because too many states want it legal. The biggest detractor is, of course, the pharmaceutical industry but that I say, **** 'em.

The US hasn't decriminalized weed in the past six months.

I can walk down the street in San Francisco and get a hooker. It doesn't make it legal. Marijuana use, for any reason, is a federal crime. The fact that it isn't a state law doesn't make it any less illegal. It just means that it's up to the Feds to enforce, not the local PD.

You can buy HGH at any gym in the country. You can by weed from half the busboys in the country. It's still illegal.

It's no more illegal to purchase HGH than it is to purchase weed.

The fact that you have Snoop brownies in your house makes you a criminal. It's stupid, but it's true. You are committing a federal crime. For you to cast stones at people who use HGH under the pretense of its illegality is hypocritical.

[CrazyPhuD]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

The US hasn't decriminalized weed in the past six months.

I can walk down the street in San Francisco and get a hooker. It doesn't make it legal. Marijuana use, for any reason, is a federal crime. The fact that it isn't a state law doesn't make it any less illegal. It just means that it's up to the Feds to enforce, not the local PD.

You can buy HGH at any gym in the country. You can by weed from half the busboys in the country. It's still illegal.

It's no more illegal to purchase HGH than it is to purchase weed.

The fact that you have Snoop brownies in your house makes you a criminal. It's stupid, but it's true. You are committing a federal crime. For you to cast stones at people who use HGH under the pretense of its illegality is hypocritical.

Well technically, for the record, use of Marijuana is not regulated therefor it's not a crime. You can **** a prostitute and the act of ****ing one is not illegal. It's the act of possession that's legally codified(and solicitation,etc for hookers).

To be more specific it is not actually clearly illegal for a person who is in a state where Marijuana is legal(in whatever manner). Why? Because even if the feds make it a federal crime that does not mean they have the jurisdiction to actually prosecute it.

It is a federal crime because the feds are using interstate commerce to regulate it. However if you, as an individual, were to grow your own plants and use it solely for personal consumption it would be difficult for the feds to prove there is an interstate commerce component of it and therefor the federal laws would not apply.

For large grow houses and commercial operations proving 'interstate' is much easier. But if you are a solo user and grow your own it will be fairly difficult for the feds to actually be able to charge you. This is because your activities solely reside within your own state and for your own use so there is no interstate jurisdiction.

Obama likes to say he won't go after the home grower for personal use because he's 'being nice' but the simple truth is he likely legally can't and has been told as much.

[Saul Good]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/fede...g-to-marijuana

Originally Posted by Whitehouse.gov

Regardless of state laws to the contrary, there is no such thing as “medical” marijuana under Federal law. Marijuana continues to be a Schedule I substance meaning that it has no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.

Originally Posted by Whitehouse.gov

Marijuana is classified as a Schedule I controlled substance under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA).

Originally Posted by Whitehouse.gov

The DOJ guidelines do not legalize marijuana. The DOJ guidance explicitly states that marijuana remains illegal under Federal law.

Originally Posted by Whitehouse.gov

Following the DOJ guidance to Federal prosecutors, the Department of Transportation (DOT) recently released an Office of Drug and Alcohol Policy Compliance Notice. The DOT Compliance Notice explicitly reiterated that DOT regulation does not recognize “medical” marijuana under a state law to be a valid medical explanation for a transportation employee’s positive drug test.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

The US hasn't decriminalized weed in the past six months.

But it's coming and everyone knows it. Just because the Feds are behind on the times (like Gay Marriage) doesn't mean that they're enforcing the law.

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I can walk down the street in San Francisco and get a hooker. It doesn't make it legal.

Tell Hugh Grant that you can't get arrested for a street walker.

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Marijuana use, for any reason, is a federal crime. The fact that it isn't a state law doesn't make it any less illegal. It just means that it's up to the Feds to enforce, not the local PD.

The mere fact that the Feds don't get involved should tell you something. How many athletes have been tried for using performance enhancing drugs?

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's no more illegal to purchase HGH than it is to purchase weed.

I didn't realize that I could buy HGH at a dispensary down the street.

HGH, steroids and other illegal performance enhancing drugs are not viewed by Federal, State and local governments equally.

If so, I could grab some HGH and some anabolic steroids on the shelf at my local Medicinal Marijuana dispensary or CVS.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/fede...g-to-marijuana

I don't know what kind of point you're trying to prove.

I can go down to Hollywood & Highland get whatever I need. Legally. In California. No police officer is waiting to arrest me. No one will report a crime.

I can't do the same with HGH or steroids.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Well technically, for the record, use of Marijuana is not regulated therefor it's not a crime. You can **** a prostitute and the act of ****ing one is not illegal. It's the act of possession that's legally codified(and solicitation,etc for hookers).

To be more specific it is not actually clearly illegal for a person who is in a state where Marijuana is legal(in whatever manner). Why? Because even if the feds make it a federal crime that does not mean they have the jurisdiction to actually prosecute it.

It is a federal crime because the feds are using interstate commerce to regulate it. However if you, as an individual, were to grow your own plants and use it solely for personal consumption it would be difficult for the feds to prove there is an interstate commerce component of it and therefor the federal laws would not apply.

For large grow houses and commercial operations proving 'interstate' is much easier. But if you are a solo user and grow your own it will be fairly difficult for the feds to actually be able to charge you. This is because your activities solely reside within your own state and for your own use so there is no interstate jurisdiction.

Obama likes to say he won't go after the home grower for personal use because he's 'being nice' but the simple truth is he likely legally can't and has been told as much.

Not having the jurisdiction to enforce a law is not the same as it being legal. Traditionally, the interstate commerce clause has been absolutely zero obstacle for the feds. Essentially everything can be argued to be interstate commerce, especially if it's purchased with $$$$$.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't know what kind of point you're trying to prove.

I can go down to Hollywood & Highland get whatever I need. Legally. In California. No police officer is waiting to arrest me. No one will report a crime.

I can't do the same with HGH or steroids.

I can run over to the bar up the street and buy weed. No police officer will be waiting to arrest me. It's still illegal.

I can download songs, movies, etc. I probably won't get nailed for it. It's still illegal.

This is a pretty simple concept. States only have the ability to make state laws. They can't override federal laws. If they could, Obamacare would never exist in half the country.