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**Mav** · 09-03-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Because other QB's are asked to do MORE than Smith is. They don't have the luxury of relying on their top defense and a kicker to win them games. There isn't a single QB that would have anything close to a winning record if they averaged a TD a game. Like I said, if the Chiefs D is not stellar, Alex will struggle. He'll have a nice completion percentage and cute little QB rating...but he won't win games.

God.....Really?

Lol, So you knew the 49ers defense was going to be elite going into 2011?

You knew that Navarro Bowman was going to be elite? You knew that Aldon Smith was going to be elite? Carlos Rogers was going to have a career year?

You knew all that huh?

The difference is this. The Chiefs have every bit the front 7 save a player of Justin Smiths caliber, and just as good a secondary. now they have a competent d coordinator. How can you say how the Chiefs defense is going to play?

**Mav** · 09-03-2013, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Gorilla

I expect Wilson, Kaepernick, and RGIII to all struggle a little this year. Teams have had time to watch the tape and figure it out.

Wilson isn't going to struggle.

RG3 is going to struggle with not running as much.

Frosty · 09-03-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Wilson isn't going to struggle.

The 'Hawks are having injury issues at WR and TE so Wilson may struggle early until he gets some of those guys back.

**Mav** · 09-03-2013, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Frosty

The 'Hawks are having injury issues at WR and TE so Wilson may struggle early until he gets some of those guys back.

Well with their running game he isn't going to be asked to do much either way. They can play small ball because of their defense.

That's why I don't think hes going to struggle. They are going to man handle a lot of teams. I feel bad for Cam Newton. Richard Sherman is going to eat up Steve Smith.

Jakemall · 09-03-2013, 11:33 AM

[QUOTE=Mavericks Ace;9935230]Can we just say it is what it is?

Alex Smith, has never been a down the field passer.

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Not really true. Look at his 2006 year under Turner. Admittedly, that's pre-shoulder injuries.

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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Because other QB's are asked to do MORE than Smith is. They don't have the luxury of relying on their top defense and a kicker to win them games. There isn't a single QB that would have anything close to a winning record if they averaged a TD a game. Like I said, if the Chiefs D is not stellar, Alex will struggle. He'll have a nice completion percentage and cute little QB rating...but he won't win games.

Please define "More". Last time I checked every QB in the league has one goal...win games. I'm not going to argue this point with you until you're less vague.

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Originally Posted by 9er guy

But we're ignoring context. One guy is a former #1 overall pick with almost 10 years of experience.

The other guy is a 2nd rounder that hadn't even played until last season and is still learning the position.

Even in a vacuum I would say advantage Kaep.

10 years? LOL...you do realize that Alex is 2 years older than Kaep, right?I do agree that Kaep was impressive considering his lack of experience though.

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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Why not include Kaepernick's total production (through the air and on the ground)?

It's not just about passing, it's about total productivity and Kaepernick is superior to Smith in that regard hands down.

Kaepernick had 23 total TD's last year. Smith has not been able to match that in his entire career while playing more games. Kaepernick is dynamic, Smith is limited. No need to cherry pick stats.

If you want to include the running game, go for it. Let us also include the ability to change the play call at the line of scrimmage which gave Frank Gore an extra yard per carry in comparison and kept the defense off the field which allowed them to play better as well.

Seriously, why is this a Kaep Vs. Alex thread?

duncan_idaho · 09-03-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall

10 years? LOL...you do realize that Alex is 2 years older than Kaep, right?I do agree that Kaep was impressive considering his lack of experience though.

29-25=2?

Alex Smiff · 09-03-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

That's really lame thinking, dude. You are essentially blaming and faulting Smith for (1) doing what is asked of him.. and (2) taking advantage of his team strengths all for the sake of getting team wins.

If Alex was forced to do more, we simply don't know how he will do.

There is nothing similar enough to elicit a reasonable estimation. We can be silly and go back to examples of our offense under Singletary or Nolan... but that would be an irrelevant joke of a source. Far too many variables and things have changed along the way... and we all know that those offenses were screwed, thanks to terrible offensive handling by the HCs.

We can try and look back to some struggles under Harbaugh.. but Harbaugh and Roman didn't build the 2011 offense up enough to have a plan B for the what-ifs of falling far behind. If you are a 49ers fan, you know it be true. We didn't have the team for it, either.

In 2012, we can look at a 2 games. The vikes game week 3, and the Giants game week 6. Against the Vikes, our offense closed the gap in the 3rd quarter to make the game 17-13. Then our D gave a TD right back to them. We pissed the game away eventually on an intercepted pass to Crabtree... shit happens. Do we even really know for sure Crabtree ran the right route? But if that's on Alex, okay... big deal... one game... shit happens. Against the Giants.. did you know Alex was playing with a busted finger on his throwing hand from the week before against Buffalo? Oh... right... excuses! Quarterbacks don't need fully functional digits on their throwing hand to play well!

Yes, Kaep had ridiculous speed for the backyard-ballin' game. Good for him. Not every QB has that going for them. Guys like Brady and Brees sure don't... but what they do have is a scheme so entrenched that they have a plan B to rely on. Our 49ers offense didn't. It didn't with Smith.. it didn't with Kaep... but Kaep has that rare athleticism to make something out of nothing. Good for him.. but also not fair to fault Smith for lacking.

Stop it. Alex Smith's 3rd down conversion rate has nothing to do with what is asked of him. He is a cautious QB and it shows in his game.

I've heard every excuse made as to why Alex does not put up even marginal numbers. I've heard it for 8 years now. Maybe....just maybe he just isn't that kind of QB? I really hope you don't expect Alex to CHANGE and start slinging the ball all over the field. That's not his game. He's limited and he knows that.

Kaep not only has athleticism but he is also better in the pocket. Don't get it twisted. Athleticism is not the reason why Kaep is better than Smith. He is better than Smith in every category. He just doesn't have the experience yet. Smith's efficiency is all about experience so comparing a guy who started just last year to a guy who's been in the league for 8 years is foolish.

Not downing Smith but he is what he is. A limited QB that is good on paper. I feel bad for some of you who are expecting much more than just an efficient player going into this season. Good QB rating, good completion percentage, no wins. Good luck.

**Mav** · 09-03-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

Stop it. Alex Smith's 3rd down conversion rate has nothing to do with what is asked of him. He is a cautious QB and it shows in his game.

I've heard every excuse made as to why Alex does not put up even marginal numbers. I've heard it for 8 years now. Maybe....just maybe he just isn't that kind of QB? I really hope you don't expect Alex to CHANGE and start slinging the ball all over the field. That's not his game. He's limited and he knows that.

Kaep not only has athleticism but he is also better in the pocket. Don't get it twisted. Athleticism is not the reason why Kaep is better than Smith. He is better than Smith in every category. He just doesn't have the experience yet. Smith's efficiency is all about experience so comparing a guy who started just last year to a guy who's been in the league for 8 years is foolish.

Not downing Smith but he is what he is. A limited QB that is good on paper. I feel bad for some of you who are expecting much more than just an efficient player going into this season. Good QB rating, good completion percentage, no wins. Good luck.

Again. Please explain to me how this chiefs team is any different from the 49ers going into 2011?

You prolly were the same troll then predicting that Alex Smith was going to get Jim Harbaugh fired.

You have zero way to predict how things will go. Its not like the Chiefs are devoid of talent. They play in the weaker of the conferences in a crap division.

Sure. No wins could come from that.

Delusion is your best friend.....

Thig Lyfe · 09-03-2013, 12:56 PM

Alex Smith has 12 INTs in 5 games in my Madden franchise. Sooooo yeah. He sucks.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-03-2013, 01:17 PM

"Teams have had time to study the tape; it's over now, bitches"!

Please stop with this nonsense.

Jakemall · 09-03-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

29-25=2?

November 3, 1987

May 7th 1984

3 years. I'm sorry. I was WAY off.

duncan_idaho · 09-03-2013, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall

November 3, 1987

May 7th 1984

3 years. I'm sorry. I was WAY off.

You're trying to make a point that Alex Smith is not that much older than Kaep, but there's a big difference in an NFL career between a guy who is 25 (like Kaerpernick) and a guy who is 29 (like Alex Smith).

The way their birthdays fall (and it's 3 years, 6 months and 4 days), Smith will always be 4 years older than Kaerpernick at the start of a new season. That's a pretty significant age gap. It's nearly twice as large as you were making it out to be.

When you miss a number under 10 by 75 percent, yeah, you're pretty far off.

Snapplez · 09-03-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

I really hope you don't expect Alex to CHANGE and start slinging the ball all over the field. That's not his game. He's limited and he knows that.

This is easily the most Chiefs thinking ever. "Sure, he's been in the league for years and sucked the whole time...but we can change him!"

Battered wife syndrome at its absolute worst

**ptlyon** · 09-03-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Snapplez

This is easily the most Chiefs thinking ever. "Sure, he's been in the league for years and sucked the whole time...but we can change him!"

Battered wife syndrome at its absolute worst

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LowExpectations · 09-03-2013, 02:18 PM

....Alex fan trying to credit him for wins and ignoring the impact a top 5 defense, running game, and record setting kicker had to do with that.

They must think Tebow deserves a shot somewhere for his WINZZZZZ in 2011.

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