Chiefs If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick. - Page 111

ShowtimeSBMVP · 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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**SAUTO** · 05-13-2013, 12:34 PM

Oh and when would the extension take place?

After the "learning year"?

During the winning playoff run?
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**SAUTO** · 05-13-2013, 12:35 PM

And falling short of a goal is actually a failure
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Messier · 05-13-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Yes people have cautioned that we are silly for expecting more. Pretentious was the word.

If they think that shouldn't we be led to believe they are ok with that?
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Who has? Because they're wrong if they are.

But this goes with some of the real fan myths. Hunt declared, no first round QBs, and fans that have optimism, are satisfied with mediocrity.

BigCatDaddy · 05-13-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

You'd really be better off if you would stop claiming that the Chiefs invested a first round pick on Alex Smith. They didn't. And you know it.

Lying about it to strengthen your argument actually weakens your argument because you lose credibility.

They traded what will be the equivalent of a 1st round pick. You can call 2 + 2 (2 + 2), but I'll go ahead and just call it 4.

Lex Luthor · 05-13-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

by draft value 2 2nds equals a first.

I wouldn't say it the way he did but I get where they can look at the compensation in that light
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The #1 overall pick is worth 3000 points on the draft value chart.

The top pick in the second round is worth 580 points. If the Chiefs go 8-8 next year, their second round pick will be worth around 410 points.

What does this mean? It means the Chiefs first round draft choice was worth three times as much as the two second rounders they gave up for Alex Smith. They did NOT trade the equivalent of their first round draft choice for Alex Smith. If the Chiefs had been drafting #16 overall, then the argument would be valid based upon draft value.

Lex Luthor · 05-13-2013, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's called perspective. They traded what will be the equivalent of a 1st round pick. You can call 2 + 2 (2 + 2), but I'll go ahead and just call it 4.

See post #1655. By your math, 580 + 410 = 3000.

If you want to say that the Chiefs traded the equivalent of the Steeler's first round pick for Alex Smith, then you would at least be mathematically accurate.

patteeu · 05-13-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

And I don't give a **** what either of you say 8-8 isn't making a serious push for the playoffs.

Both of your words
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Like BigCatDaddy said, sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't, whether you agree or not.

patteeu · 05-13-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Oh and when would the extension take place?

After the "learning year"?

During the winning playoff run?
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It's going to happen after the first year unless Smith falls flat on his face.

**SAUTO** · 05-13-2013, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainiac

The #1 overall pick is worth 3000 points on the draft value chart.

The top pick in the second round is worth 580 points. If the Chiefs go 8-8 next year, their second round pick will be worth around 410 points.

What does this mean? It means the Chiefs first round draft choice was worth three times as much as the two second rounders they gave up for Alex Smith. They did NOT trade the equivalent of their first round draft choice for Alex Smith. If the Chiefs had been drafting #16 overall, then the argument would be valid based upon draft value.

you didn't read very well.

He said the chiefs, in the post you quoted, traded A first round pick.

Not puts this year
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**SAUTO** · 05-13-2013, 12:49 PM

Ours not puts, won't let me edit it
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BigCatDaddy · 05-13-2013, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac

The #1 overall pick is worth 3000 points on the draft value chart.

The top pick in the second round is worth 580 points. If the Chiefs go 8-8 next year, their second round pick will be worth around 410 points.

What does this mean? It means the Chiefs first round draft choice was worth three times as much as the two second rounders they gave up for Alex Smith. They did NOT trade the equivalent of their first round draft choice for Alex Smith. If the Chiefs had been drafting #16 overall, then the argument would be valid based upon draft value.

This where reading comprehension can come into play. I sad they gave up "A" 1st round pick, not "their" first round pick. As you pointed out the picks they gave up is "1st round value" and would likely 5-10 teams would have taken that trade off this year to get up into the 1st round. They gave up what amounts to a 1st round pick. Thanks for backing me up on that one.

**SAUTO** · 05-13-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

It's going to happen after the first year unless Smith falls flat on his face.

After a non winning "learning year"?

What is a non winning learning year going to tell us?
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**SAUTO** · 05-13-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Who has? Because they're wrong if they are.

But this goes with some of the real fan myths. Hunt declared, no first round QBs, and fans that have optimism, are satisfied with mediocrity.

look around
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ayleswbj · 05-13-2013, 12:52 PM

They wont extend Smith until they have to, good or bad play. Its just NFL business, especially with the cap going up again. Why would they extend him before they need to, it just takes away money to give to other areas of team need. Once they work the logistics they will make their decision. One thing hasnt been said alot, even though they paid in draft picks the Chiefs are only giving him around 8mil. That is chump change for a starting QB in the League.

ChiefsCountry · 05-13-2013, 12:52 PM

This fan base amazes me. You trade for a 28 year old QB because you can win now with him. Then the expectations change when quarterback gets here and is treated like a rookie. Unbelievable. We better win some ****ing football games this year if you trade for a veteran quarterback in his prime. No time for rebuilding horseshit with a vet quarterback.

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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $3686009	If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick. A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season. So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...#ixzz2SWCd8Gea
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ayleswbj Starter Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $10005287	They wont extend Smith until they have to, good or bad play. Its just NFL business, especially with the cap going up again. Why would they extend him before they need to, it just takes away money to give to other areas of team need. Once they work the logistics they will make their decision. One thing hasnt been said alot, even though they paid in draft picks the Chiefs are only giving him around 8mil. That is chump change for a starting QB in the League.
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $2358752	This fan base amazes me. You trade for a 28 year old QB because you can win now with him. Then the expectations change when quarterback gets here and is treated like a rookie. Unbelievable. We better win some ****ing football games this year if you trade for a veteran quarterback in his prime. No time for rebuilding horseshit with a vet quarterback.
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