Chiefs New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft

FringeNC · 05:47 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true

The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete.

Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott ***** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job.

That includes preparation for the NFL draft.

The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team.

"We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that."

It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced.

Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson.

Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise.

"Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay.

"History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement."

Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback.

Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL.

"What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1."

By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position.

Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season.

"Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization."

Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it?

Not necessarily.

Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection.

"My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility."

It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs.

Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones.

One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.

"Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that."

Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay.

That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes.

"It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right."

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ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 05:24 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of the Packers drafts vs what they needed.

IMO, Dorsey is FoS.

I remember some guy name Brian Bulaga being drafted when the Packers needed O-line Help. Im sure there are plenty of examples out there, but im too lazy to look for them.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-15-2013, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of the Packers drafts vs what they needed.

IMO, Dorsey is FoS.

I remember some guy name Brian Bulaga being drafted when the Packers needed O-line Help. Im sure there are plenty of examples out there, but im too lazy to look for them.

Bulaga was selected #23 overall. It wasn't as if they reached or overdrafted him.

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bulaga was selected #23 overall. It wasn't as if they reached or overdrafted him.

No, but it was a position of need though, wasn't it? If we look back at that draft, was he the BEST player available?

or was he the best player at a position of need?

Did i say they overdrafted him?

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-15-2013, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

No, but it was a position of need though, wasn't it? If we look back at that draft, was he the BEST player available?

or was he the best player at a position of need?

Did i say they overdrafted him?

Why don't you stop asking questions and FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF!

****ing dumbass. Use the ****ing Internet if you don't know.

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why don't you stop asking questions and FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF!

****ing dumbass. Use the ****ing Internet if you don't know.

**** you. Its a ****ing message board, and it's the topic we're discussing. You're the ****ing idiot who couldn't even figure out my point. You wanna rage because you look like a dumbass? good for you.

Do you not believe that the Packers have shown evidence in their drafts of taking need into consideration? **** off.

mcaj22 · 01-15-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

No, but it was a position of need though, wasn't it? If we look back at that draft, was he the BEST player available?

or was he the best player at a position of need?

Did i say they overdrafted him?

there's a clear difference in draft boards when you are consistent playoff team picking in the 20s every year. 23 guys came off the board before Balauga, so like

GMing a crappy team like the Chiefs having the #1 pick is completely different, Dorsey has something he hasnt had in awhile, if ever, no team picking ahead of him, no guys coming off the board, he has his pick of anyone.

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaj22

there's a clear difference in draft boards when you are consistent playoff team picking in the 20s every year. 23 guys came off the board before Balauga, so like

GMing a crappy team like the Chiefs having the #1 pick is completely different, Dorsey has something he hasnt had in awhile, if ever, no team picking ahead of him, no guys coming off the board, he has his pick of anyne.

??

You missed my point is well. I don't care about the Bulaga pick as far as value is concerned. I don't think he was a reach. I never stated that....AT ALL. What i did state, however, is that the Bulaga pick demonstrates the Packers taking need into consideration when picking BPA.

Which brings me back to my original point that Dorsey is either BSing us or we are taking his words far too literal.

Coogs · 01-15-2013, 05:58 PM

It's the "Chiefs Draftboard".

Simply draft Geno. Then say we had him rated at the top of our board.

Problem solved.

ChiefsCountry · 01-15-2013, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of the Packers drafts vs what they needed.

IMO, Dorsey is FoS.

I remember some guy name Brian Bulaga being drafted when the Packers needed O-line Help. Im sure there are plenty of examples out there, but im too lazy to look for them.

Bulaga was a top 15 talent that was available to the Packers at 23. It was a BPA that happened to fill a need as well.

Cmd'r&Chief · 01-15-2013, 05:25 PM

It seriously makes me wonder if we're getting a franchise quarterback this year. But both Reid and Dorsey have a good draft record. So I trust whatever decision made is the right one.

ModSocks · 01-15-2013, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief

It seriously makes me wonder if we're getting a franchise quarterback this year. But both Reid and Dorsey have a good draft record. So I trust whatever decision made is the right one.

BS.

Dorsey has never been a GM before, so he does NOT get the benefit of doubt. If they let Albert Walk and then replace him with Joekoff, then Dorsey can go **** himself.

However, i do think we are taking his words a bit too literal.

He says, "draft BPA". Another way of saying that is, "Don't reach for a player because you need it".

Need will most certainly play into the decision, but the player has to be worthy of being taken in that slot. And Maybe Geno isn't #1, but that doesn't mean he isn't top 5. Is picking a top 5 player in a top 5 slot really reaching?

Ugly Duck · 01-15-2013, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

BS.

Dorsey has never been a GM before, so he does NOT get the benefit of doubt. If they let Albert Walk and then replace him with Joekoff, then Dorsey can go **** himself.

So Dorsey's a n00b... at least give him a chance to develop into something. Remember what the Green Bay Packers Blog said about why he was promoted in Green Bay in the first place:

"While his title is director of football operations, he was only promoted last year when Reggie McKenzie was hired by the Raiders to become their GM, and he had been in charge of college scouting for the past decade."

ChiefPassesALot · 01-15-2013, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmd'r&Chief

It seriously makes me wonder if we're getting a franchise quarterback this year. But both Reid and Dorsey have a good draft record. So I trust whatever decision made is the right one.

Oh you think Andy Reid has a good draft record?

Let's talk about Andy's high ticket first 3 round picks

Jerome McDougle... TRADED UP, this guy sucked.
Broderick Bunkley... TRADED UP for him, traded him for pennies.
2nd round safety Jaquan Jarrett..You guys know him right?
2nd round safety Nate Allen... trash
brandon graham over jason pierre paul
Freddie mitchell..do I need to say anything here?
Danny Watkins. A 26 year old firefighter. this guy is terrible.
Trevor Laws- 2nd round DT, took AHEAD OF DESEAN JACKSON, picked Jackson same round!!
Barry Gardner 2nd round LB
Billy McMullen, 3rd round WR
Tony Hunt, 3rd round HB
Bryan Smith, 3rd round LB/DE
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim 3rd round DE
Victor Abiamiri- 2nd round DE

These are all major failures, though graham is said to be looking on the better side of the coin as of late.

Sofa King · 01-15-2013, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefPassesALot

Oh you think Andy Reid has a good draft record?

Let's talk about Andy's high ticket first 3 round picks

Jerome McDougle... TRADED UP, this guy sucked.
Broderick Bunkley... TRADED UP for him, traded him for pennies.
2nd round safety Jaquan Jarrett..You guys know him right?
2nd round safety Nate Allen... trash
brandon graham over jason pierre paul
Freddie mitchell..do I need to say anything here?
Danny Watkins. A 26 year old firefighter. this guy is terrible.
Trevor Laws- 2nd round DT, took AHEAD OF DESEAN JACKSON, picked Jackson same round!!
Barry Gardner 2nd round LB
Billy McMullen, 3rd round WR
Tony Hunt, 3rd round HB
Bryan Smith, 3rd round LB/DE
Daniel Te’o-Nesheim 3rd round DE
Victor Abiamiri- 2nd round DE

These are all major failures, though graham is said to be looking on the better side of the coin as of late.

lmao. lots of teams passed on people. That's what happens in the draft dickhead. And the bullshit about Jackson... Why the **** would you complain about a guy that was actually drafted later than where you say he should have been drafted. And you picked a dozen players from a 14 year stint...

Stupid trolls aren't even applying any effort any more..

01-15-2013, 05:17 PM	Topic Starter
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $1876014	New-Look Chiefs Turning Attention to NFL Draft http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...inglePage=true The wholesale overhaul of the Kansas City Chiefs is nearly complete. Andy Reid has been hired to replace Romeo Crennel as coach, and longtime Packers personnel man John Dorsey has replaced Scott *** as general manager. Most of the assistant coaches are on board, and now the Chiefs can start turning their attention toward the rebuilding job. That includes preparation for the NFL draft. The Chiefs finished 2-14 last season, matching the worst record in their 53-year history. But the byproduct of all that on-field suffering is that they have the No. 1 pick for the first time, giving Kansas City a good place to start turning around the team. "We're in a unique position," said Dorsey, who will work closely with Reid but have final say over personnel decisions. "We all know there is some pressure involved in that." It is pressure unlike anything he's ever experienced. Dorsey began his career as a scout for the Packers, and eventually rose to direct of college scouting and director of football operations. But his primary responsibility was assembling the draft board, and the final decision ultimately came down to the Packers' GM — Tom Braatz early in his career, Ron Wolf and Mike Sherman after that, and most recently Ted Thompson. Now, when the final seconds are ticking away on April 25, all eyes in the Kansas City draft room will turn toward Dorsey for a decision that could shape the future of the franchise. "Ultimately, we're just trying to win Super Bowls. That's what we're trying to do," said Dorsey, adding that he plans to use a similar blueprint to Green Bay. "History and time has proven — and that's all I know — but this system works," Dorsey said Monday. "That's what I'm going to try to implement." Examining the Packers' drafts over the past two decades yields a few ideas about how Dorsey will proceed: He'll likely choose the best player of available, regardless of position needs, but also understands the importance of drafting for depth at quarterback. Many outsiders panned the choice of quarterback Aaron Rodgers when Brett Favre was firmly ensconced in Green Bay, and Rodgers has turned into a Super Bowl champion. Matt Flynn was picked in the seventh round and became a valuable commodity as a backup, while other guys such as Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks developed into starters elsewhere in the NFL. "What we've always tried to do is develop a third guy," Dorsey said, "and develop him and see if he can be a 2 or a 1." By contrast, the Chiefs have spent only one pick — a fifth-rounder — on a quarterback in the past six drafts, and the result has been disastrous play at the game's marquee position. Matt Cassel is still under contract, even though he was benched last season. Brady Quinn played just as poorly, while Ricky Stanzi never saw the field during the regular season. "Any time when you begin to build a franchise, let's be real, the quarterback is a very important part," Dorsey said. "As you note the last couple weeks in the playoffs, the quarterback position is a very important position to the long-term success of the organization." Important enough to spend the No. 1 overall pick on it? Not necessarily. Dorsey and Reid both insisted they plan to draft the best player available, and that may not be a quarterback. West Virginia's Geno Smith is widely considered the best prospect at his position, but some draft analysts believe he's only worthy of a late first-round selection. "My draft philosophy, you'd love to get good players. That's the primary thing," Reid said. "As the general manager comes in, that's what he's going to do. That's his responsibility." It's not as if the Chiefs don't have other needs. Left tackle Branden Albert and wide receiver Dwayne Bowe can both become free agents, and there are gaping holes along the defensive line, at linebacker and in the secondary. And it just so happens that some of the best available players fit those needs: Texas A&M offensive tackle Luke Joeckel, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner and George linebacker Jarvis Jones. One thing that Dorsey made clear is that he won't reach for a player.** "Philosophically, you stay true to your board," he said. "You spend all those months staying true to your board, and all of a sudden you have to jump a player due to positional needs? I don't think you do that. Historically, we have proven you don't do that." Dorsey plans to keep the Chiefs scouting department intact through the draft, but he's also bringing with him an entire season's worth of his own scouting work from Green Bay. That will be augmented by work done at college all-star games, various pro days organized by schools, the annual scouting combine and from hour upon hour of highlight tapes. "It's going to be a focus of our fans, the media and our personnel department here for the next three or so months," Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt said of the No. 1 pick. "It's very important we get that pick right." ——— Last edited by FringeNC; 01-15-2013 at 05:47 PM.. Reason: bold parts as requested for the pathologically lazy
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01-15-2013, 05:58 PM	#9
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01-15-2013, 05:25 PM	#11
Cmd'r&Chief In Reid We Trust Join Date: Dec 2012 Casino cash: $10016415	It seriously makes me wonder if we're getting a franchise quarterback this year. But both Reid and Dorsey have a good draft record. So I trust whatever decision made is the right one.
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ModSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $4334563	I wouldn't mind seeing a breakdown of the Packers drafts vs what they needed. IMO, Dorsey is FoS. I remember some guy name Brian Bulaga being drafted when the Packers needed O-line Help. Im sure there are plenty of examples out there, but im too lazy to look for them.
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