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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:41 PM   #616
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Marcellus is more obsessed with Geno than anyone...check the Geno Smith/Alex Smith thread (which is at 5,000 posts), and then see which of those posters are in here..

hint, it ain't me and you
No I feel exactly the way WW does. Exactly.

But keep making shit up. Keep on whining about other posters hypocrite.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:41 PM   #617
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hey guys, Dane and Marcellus have opinions on Alex Smith

no need for anyone else to discuss it...they have their opinions, and that's enough for everyone...

got it?

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mods, could you lock this thread? it's very existence is an affront to their opinions...thanks
So you're saying you want Alex Smith to throw 17 interceptions and go 0-3?

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Old 09-26-2013, 01:42 PM   #618
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And he just brought him up again, mere seconds after you typed this. It's like you're prophetic.
You don't see the irony? You think if every ****ing thread wasnt turned into a Geno discussion I would bring him up?

You know who the first person to bring up Geno was in this thread? OTWP.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:43 PM   #619
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Bullshit.

The people that were on his 'bandwagon' simply said there was no reason to expect this massive regression to the 70 some-odd rated passer he was prior to his time with Harbaugh.

Folks that have backed smith have, to a man, said that he's simply going to be exactly what he's for the latter 1/3 of his NFL career - a competent, risk-averse QB that's capable of winning a lot of games but not quite a franchise caliber QB.

But many of you fellas have a lot easier time knocking down straw-men of your own creation so you continue to make them.

That's fine, but you're 'rebutting' arguments that were largely never made.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:43 PM   #620
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7 seconds left and well out of FG range.
I don't think the Bucs 45 is well out of field goal range but I have no earthly idea who their kicker is.

The 7 secs is iffy. You've got enough time for a few concepts that could work the ball 6-12 yards and get out of bounds but it's unlikely imo.
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I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:43 PM   #621
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No I feel exactly the way WW does. Exactly.

But keep making shit up. Keep on whining about other posters hypocrite.
how many post do you have in the thread?

i have 0

you are more obsessed with Geno Smith than anyone, and you bring him up constantly...again, your post count is easy to verify
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:43 PM   #622
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7 seconds left and well out of FG range.
7 seconds left and 8-10 yards to be well within field goal range. You were WRONG. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Be a man and own it.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:44 PM   #623
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Yea we have had a game lost and someone committed a ridiculous penalty to get us in FG range. Great ****ing comparison.

No wait, the only game we have been behind in the offense drove down and scored to take the lead back.
To me this says our defense is good, not our QB. I don't give a shit what Geno does or doesn't do, but you guys are defending Alex Smith with his win record, and dismissing Geno Smith when he wins. Neither qb really had a great game, but Alex Smith wins games!!!!!11111eleven and Geno is a bust.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:45 PM   #624
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You don't see the irony? You think if every ****ing thread wasnt turned into a Geno discussion I would bring him up?

You know who the first person to bring up Geno was in this thread? OTWP.
The OL had to be addressed in the draft. Plain and simple. Whether it works out or not remains to be seen but it is what it is. Move on and support your team!
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You don't see the irony? You think if every ****ing thread wasnt turned into a Geno discussion I would bring him up?

You know who the first person to bring up Geno was in this thread? OTWP.
Yeah, that victim mentality works great right after you throw out passive-aggressive shots over the bow like "Well if we had drafted Geno the SB would be an option this year. "

It's like you can't leave it alone. Literally nobody else was talking about anything that had anything to do with that. Yet there you go.
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I don't think the Bucs 45 is well out of field goal range but I have no earthly idea who their kicker is.

The 7 secs is iffy. You've got enough time for a few concepts that could work the ball 6-12 yards and get out of bounds but it's unlikely imo.
I've seen teams pull that off before in similar situations. But yeah a TO in the bag would have helped.

Folk is the kicker with a long of 56. So they needed about 6-8 yards in 7 secs.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:45 PM   #627
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hey guys, Dane and Marcellus have opinions on Alex Smith

no need for anyone else to discuss it...they have their opinions, and that's enough for everyone...

got it?

good

mods, could you lock this thread? it's very existence is an affront to their opinions...thanks
Opinion?

He is who he is, Butt****.

If you don't like the way he plays, stop watching.
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Old 09-26-2013, 01:46 PM   #628
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I've seen teams pull that off before in similar situations. But yeah a TO in the bag would have helped.
It's definitely doable.


It'd be an interesting stat to pull up.
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I have completely given up on Alex Smith as a qb. Its painful to watch. Like, worse than watching Colt McCoy.
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So are you saying that once we have great TEs, a probowl slot receiver, and the Vermeil era Oline, Alex Smith will be more than a sub 300 yard QB?
Yeah, that's exactly what I said.

Everyone should be a Pro Bowler or the team will go 2-14.
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So you're saying you want Alex Smith to throw 17 interceptions and go 0-3?

/Dane
You've referred to me twice in this thread as being "obtuse" because I disagreed with you.

Well, you sure showed me!
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