Conspiracy, the Paranormal, the Unexplained and the Esoteric

[keg in kc]

Figure this would have a better chance of surviving in the Media Center than on the main page, and I'll be adding youtube and podcast links from time to time as I come across them, so it fits.

This has been something that's interested me from a very young age, all aspects of mysterious stuff, whether we're talking forgotten or forbidden archeology or civilization (Atlantis, pre-colombian exploration of america, etc), unexplained events (like Tunguska in 1908, the lost Roanoke Island colony, etc), paranormal events like ghosts, the study of ESP and that sort of thing, conspiracy (ranging from JFK to stuff like the perpetration of the drug war and the infilitration of the media by US intelligence) and, of course, UFOs (which to me means "unexplained" not "extraterrestrial" but that's a whole other topic).

Anything could show up, and everybody should feel free to add whatever they like. Just try to keep it as civil and respectful as possible. This is not intended to be a DC thread; it's as much for entertainment purposes as it is to solve all the world's mysteries.

**Although if anybody posts anything from Third Phase of Moon they should probably expect me to kick them in the balls.**

Few things I like to watch or listen to in no particular order (most of this can be found on itunes as well...):

The Paracast
Binall of America
The Gralian Report
The Paranormal Report
Dark City
Radio Misterioso
Open Minds (mostly their podcast)

That's it for now, just wanted to get this started. Been thinking about doing it for a while...

[frankotank]

came across this the other day. cool stuff....except for the last one. I know a wasted chick when I see one man! mystery solved. hahaha.

[Easy 6]

Did anyone catch the new Stroud bigfoot episode thursday night? Just wondering what he did or didn't see.

I had to hit the sack too early to catch it, was out by 8pm lol... too much drinky, too much early... had to crash early to be ready for school the next day.

[DMAC]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Did anyone catch the new Stroud bigfoot episode thursday night? Just wondering what he did or didn't see.

I had to hit the sack too early to catch it, was out by 8pm lol... too much drinky, too much early... had to crash early to be ready for school the next day.

Stroud as in Les Stroud?

That's a shame. They got him too.

[Cheater5]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Did anyone catch the new Stroud bigfoot episode thursday night? Just wondering what he did or didn't see.

I had to hit the sack too early to catch it, was out by 8pm lol... too much drinky, too much early... had to crash early to be ready for school the next day.

I watched it. He caught nothing on camera, and nothing on audio. Had a couple apples and a sandwich laid out for bait swiped, which the camera mysteriously didn't catch...for whatever reason.

Near the end he cut the cameras on and claimed a large tree fell close by him. No wind, no rain or snow (warmer weather); it just crashed. He said it sounded like it was thrown instead of simply falling. Dry hole of an episode, and he was kind of dorking out- like more than usual. Getting way too into the Bigfoot mythology and thinking every broken branch or track might be a 'squatch.

Next week he's in NorCal- I think in the same area where the Patterson-Gimlin film was supposedly taken.

[Bowser]

The public rarely hears about interactions between military personnel and unexplained aircraft -- especially during wartime.

As time goes on, however, UFO stories stuck behind red tape begin to see the light of day. The Vietnam War saw its share of UFO activity in the 1960s.

One close encounter, in 1968, involved the crew of an American patrol boat that reported two glowing circular craft following them in the demilitarized zone that separated North and South Vietnam.

The crew aboard a second patrol boat later reported seeing the UFOs over the first boat and a flash of light, followed by an explosion that completely destroyed the boat. These Vietnam reports included close observation of the unknown aerial craft which appeared to house pilots (see main story recreation image at the top of this story).

Wartime UFO stories are recreated in the premiere episode of the second season of History's "Hangar 1: The UFO Files." The accounts are drawn from tens of thousands of UFO cases in the archives of the Mutual UFO Network, the world's largest UFO investigation group.

"The military was interested in [UFOs] because they had capabilities far above anything that we had, and they wanted to find out what the technology was and, frankly, who they belonged to," according to former Air Force intelligence officer, Capt. George Filer.

While in Vietnam, Filer -- who had a top secret clearance -- gave daily briefings to Gen. George S. Brown, deputy commander for air operations in Vietnam.

"Frequently, the Vietcong or North Vietnamese would be attacking an outpost and I would explain that, and we would have ground-air support, particularly at night where we'd go in there with these gun ships, and I would give briefings on all of that," Filer told The Huffington Post. "Some of the time, there would be unidentified craft over the DMZ."

Filer described a typical report that he'd receive and which he included in his briefings to Brown:

"You'd have an aircraft flying along, doing around 500 knots and a UFO comes alongside and does some barrel rolls around the aircraft and then flies off at three times the speed of one of the fastest jets we have in the Air Force. So, obviously, it has a technology far in advance of anything we have.

"I would be told this unofficially. People tell you a lot of things that they don't put in writing or sign their name to. There was always this part of UFOs that, if you got too interested, it could mess up your career. And this is true today even with commercial pilots. I've also heard from people serving in Afghanistan saying they've seen UFOs, and the Iranian news carries UFO reports pretty regularly."

During a 1973 press conference, five years after the patrol boat UFO encounters, Brown -- as USAF chief of staff -- was asked about the Air Force's position on UFOs:


I don't know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren't called UFOs. The were called enemy helicopters. And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ in the early summer of '68. And this resulted in quite a little battle.

And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at all involved, but we always reacted.

Always after dark, the same thing happened up at Pleiku at the Highlands in '69.



Many stories about battling UFOs have emerged throughout history.

One early account of UFO warfare was supposedly seen by the citizens of Nuremberg, Germany, in 1561. On a morning in April, the Nuremberg Gazette reportedly described an aerial battle between large "cylindrical shapes from which emerged black, red, orange and blue-white spheres that darted about... All these elements started to fight one against the other." An artist, Hans Glazer drew a woodcut of the spectacle, seen below:

During World War II, also in Germany, Allied aircraft pilots often reported mysterious glowing, fast-moving, circular lights, which were dubbed Foo Fighters. The New York Times reported it as "military slang for flying saucers."

Filer -- who documents his sightings and other UFO news at the National UFO Center site -- was one of several military eyewitnesses to something extraordinary in the sky over England. It was 1962, and he was the navigator on a refueling tanker.

"We were out over the North Sea when London Control called and asked if we would be willing to intercept an unidentified that was over Oxford and the Stonehenge area. We had just finished up our refueling mission, so we said sure, and they cleared all the traffic around us and gave us top priority as we descended towards the UFO. All they really had was a very large radar return, but it was much bigger than a normal aircraft."

georgefiler

Filer (pictured at right) recalled how his radar scope indicated the UFO was as big as the huge Firth of Forth Bridge in Scotland that he and his crew often used as a regular navigation point.

"The 'thing' was at 1,000 feet and we were descending from 32,000 feet. We picked up this huge radar return while we were still about 30 miles out. It was dark out and when we got much closer to the object, we saw lights around it, outlining the shape of a cylinder, like a cruise ship. It then just quickly rose and went up into space.

"We were pretty sure we'd just seen a UFO."

Filer also told HuffPost that he has heard from air traffic controllers who claimed they were told to "always divert aircraft away from UFOs and deny that it existed. I think they want this whole situation to go away, and I think [the policy] is coming from the National Security Council -- they're at the highest level. It sounds funny, but presidents don't always know what their National Security Council is doing."

Upcoming episodes of "Hangar 1" over the next 12 weeks will focus on folks who've held military positions and are willing to come forward and tell their stories.

One of those (hold onto your hats) is a man who claims he was in the Marines (wait for it...) and that he was stationed on Mars for several years. That's right: the red planet Mars. He'll describe being part of an off-planet military force. Let's not pass judgment...yet.

There's also the story of a retired Army sergeant who says he was assigned to UFO crash and retrieval cases where both ships and ET bodies were supposedly recovered -- some dead, some alive.

In case you were wondering, Hangar 1 is an actual hangar where MUFON, for a long time, stored all of its archives. At one point, all of the organization's files were housed in an airport hangar somewhere in the middle of the country. The images of Hangar 1 that appear in the series are of the real hangar.

"Hangar 1: The UFO Files" is on the History channel on Friday nights. Check your local listings for exact times.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...usaolp00000592

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Pisses me off that my bullshit cable co. doesn't carry good channels like this, they don't even carry National Geographic and there ALWAYS seems to be something cool on it.

Who do you have? I have these with TWC.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

Who do you have? I have these with TWC.

They're called Mediacom, a pissant little outfit.

Bowser, great timing on that article about the patrol boats in Vietnam, I watched a show about that just yesterday on History Channel.

[mr. tegu]

So Hangar 1 just had a show about the SOM1-01 manual which is supposed to be a leaked Majestic-12 manual of instructions for dealing with ufos. I had never heard of this but it is very interesting. What are everyone's thoughts on this?

You can see the leaked photos of the pages here: http://www.specialoperationsmanual.com/the-manual/

Some of the things in there are very convincing. The descriptions of the aliens and the explanation on the current situation (1950's) is particularly intriguing to me.

[Easy 6]

Its probably legit, they surely had contingency manuals just like that.

[Jerm]

Been binge watching Unsealed: Alien Files on Netflix this weekend lol.....

[Coochie liquor]

The Ceres lights have become pretty interesting to me. But even if they actually find something, would they let us know? Doubtful.
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/0...rtoon-instead/

[keg in kc]

Interesting bit from the black vault on some photos potentially taken from aboard a USN submarine in 1971: http://www.theblackvault.com/casefil...4-march-1971/#

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Interesting bit from the black vault on some photos potentially taken from aboard a USN submarine in 1971: http://www.theblackvault.com/casefil...4-march-1971/#

Being the biggest and most detailed, that first pic is obviously noteworthy. But its the second, delta shaped object that really gets my attention.

That's the shape that's being relentlessly imitated to this day.

With the first pic, it sometimes seems like whatever they are, show us something that looks familiar, something sort of in line with the times, like this big, unwieldy cigar thing, reminiscent of a submarine.

[mr. tegu]

What is everyone's thoughts on the arecibo response?

http://alienresearch.wikia.com/wiki/Arecibo_Response

There is a really good video synopsis of the differences between the sent message and the response. I can't embed it right now but here is the link. All of the skeptics seem to rely only on the classic "it seems unlikely so it must be a hoax" response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92ZvA-Nm5c

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

What is everyone's thoughts on the arecibo response?

http://alienresearch.wikia.com/wiki/Arecibo_Response

There is a really good video synopsis of the differences between the sent message and the response. I can't embed it right now but here is the link. All of the skeptics seem to rely only on the classic "it seems unlikely so it must be a hoax" response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92ZvA-Nm5c

Two 70 year old men snuck into that field with wooden slats and some rope. Overnight, and under cover of darkness... they stamped out the extraordinarily complicated patterns.

What else is there to explain, its all so easy when you look at the facts.