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Old 02-17-2017, 08:30 AM   #2206
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I don't expect Derrick Rose to cherish his education. I expect him to understand that the education is his compensation and accept it. He did.

I do taxes in the winter for decent money. It isn't great money. And I certainly don't cherish my wage, but I accept that it is the compensation and I accept it for the work that I do.

So your answer to the inequity between sport is life isn't fair do something else?

Well guess what. Life isn't fair. The option is international or NCAA. Life isn't fair. If you don't like it. Do international.

Moreover, cash value for a year at KU is what 20? 30 with room and board? And guess what? They don't pay any tax on that. 30 is way better than I ever sniffed until I went to grad school. And I had some passive income coming in too.

Sorry man. The outrage isn't there.
Life isn't fair isn't a valid argument for discussing an endgame on the topic. Just because life isn't fair for you, doesn't mean it has to be unfair for players when the universities, Television networks, apparel companies etc are making money by the truckload. The discussion is valid to find better solutions, no matter how unfair you think your life is. You have the same option that you're suggesting - do something else about it. Join a Union? I dunno.
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:37 AM   #2207
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Awesome discussion. Not. Who gives a shit about college pay? This topic has been beaten to death and there is nothing new that's come out recently.
Agreed...when did the KU thread become this? WTF happened?
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:31 AM   #2208
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Agreed...when did the KU thread become this? WTF happened?
responding to the idea someone should stay in college to develop their game rather than go to the pros

holy shit you guys are ****ing sensitive
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:33 AM   #2209
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Life isn't fair isn't a valid argument for discussing an endgame on the topic. Just because life isn't fair for you, doesn't mean it has to be unfair for players when the universities, Television networks, apparel companies etc are making money by the truckload. The discussion is valid to find better solutions, no matter how unfair you think your life is. You have the same option that you're suggesting - do something else about it. Join a Union? I dunno.
Yep.

But hey, let's not derail the thread by discussing Josh Jackson staying at KU to improve his draft stock from #3 to #1.

You might get yelled at by PB.
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:41 AM   #2210
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Life isn't fair isn't a valid argument for discussing an endgame on the topic. Just because life isn't fair for you, doesn't mean it has to be unfair for players when the universities, Television networks, apparel companies etc are making money by the truckload. The discussion is valid to find better solutions, no matter how unfair you think your life is. You have the same option that you're suggesting - do something else about it. Join a Union? I dunno.
Right. I get that. The players just don't have any negotiating power in the workplace. Much like a lot of the rest of the planet.
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:43 AM   #2211
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Yep.

But hey, let's not derail the thread by discussing Josh Jackson staying at KU to improve his draft stock from #3 to #1.

You might get yelled at by PB.
Nobody made, nor would make, such a stupid argument.


You're spamming the thread with stupidity.
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If you need more development for the nba, where would you rather get that, at a college where you have to do school and all the other shit or

In the nba, where you have no other responsibilities than basketball, and your being paid for it.
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Old 02-17-2017, 10:03 AM   #2213
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responding to the idea someone should stay in college to develop their game rather than go to the pros

holy shit you guys are ****ing sensitive
Heh...you can play that shit with others, maybe, but dont quote me and then try to accuse me of saying anything like that.
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Old 02-17-2017, 10:17 AM   #2214
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If you need more development for the nba, where would you rather get that, at a college where you have to do school and all the other shit or

In the nba, where you have no other responsibilities than basketball, and your being paid for it.
The flip side to that argument: Would you rather go to a minor league, get a minor league salary and travel by bus from one small town to another, or would you rather play for a few years at a university where you get to play in sold-out arenas on national TV and you're idolized by the student body? I remember my college years as some of the best years of my life, and I was just a nerd in the Computer Science program. I knew my payday was coming eventually.

There probably isn't an answer that's right for 100% of the athletes. I just wanted to point out that playing college basketball isn't such a horrible gig.
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You're spamming the thread with stupidity.
Same thing happened in the Royals thread until mods had to step in to get it back on track.
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The flip side to that argument: Would you rather go to a minor league, get a minor league salary and travel by bus from one small town to another, or would you rather play for a few years at a university where you get to play in sold-out arenas on national TV and you're idolized by the student body? I remember my college years as some of the best years of my life, and I was just a nerd in the Computer Science program. I knew my payday was coming eventually.

There probably isn't an answer that's right for 100% of the athletes. I just wanted to point out that playing college basketball isn't such a horrible gig.
Sure.

But if you pass up an opportunity to play professionally and pop and achilles or something, you're stuck.

Computer Science or microbiology or whatever other degree isn't the same as this. Unless you have a stroke or brain aneurysm, you can keep doing computers.

If these guys get hurt they can't do what makes them successful
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Old 02-17-2017, 10:22 AM   #2217
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If you need more development for the nba, where would you rather get that, at a college where you have to do school and all the other shit or

In the nba, where you have no other responsibilities than basketball, and your being paid for it.
To maximize their earnings over the course of their career, some players would be better served to play at a high level in college, rather than get crap minutes on an NBA team where they are the 4th or 5th option anytime they are on the court.

The NBA drafts a lot of its players based on potential. It is rare that a first year player makes a huge impact, even on a bad NBA team.

If a player leaves after one year, they will get paid, but they will be trying to further develop their skills against the best players in the world. This leads to having your flaws and weaknesses exposed, and can eventually lead to assignments to the D-League or that player just being released with few options other than toiling for years in the D-League or going overseas. Some players will flourish at the end of an NBA bench, but most won't, and after their rookie contract is over, so is the big money.

But if they spent another year or two in college, it's more likely that they will actually develop their skills, and improve their "potential" in the eyes of the NBA.

But it's not a one size fits all solution, but I have listed a few players that may have been better off staying in school. I think Nick Collison is a great example. If he left after his junior year like Gooden, he probably would end up bouncing around the league and then fading away. But he came back, became a more focused, mature player, and has spent his entire career with one team that has paid him well because they see the value in all the little things he does to help them win. I can honestly say that I believe that doesn't happen if he leaves a year early.

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Wayne Selden is playing extremely well in the D-League but he would have benefitted greatly by playing his senior year. He may eventually get an NBA contract, but leaving early likely impacted his career earnings by several million dollars. Cliff Alexander's parents, and maybe Cliff himself, definitely impacted his career earnings in a negative manner.

Those are just two recent examples of kids who really had no business leaving school early. Graham could potentially make himself a lock in the second round after his senior year. Potentially. I am not saying it would be a sure thing, but his chances to make an NBA roster would be increased by coming back next year. Unfortunately, sometimes players don't make good decisions.

Maybe his family needs the money. His mother was very young when he was born. It could be a Cole Aldrich situation. And maybe Graham has talked with Keith Langford. Langford, in my opinion, would have succeeded in the NBA if he had been given a real shot, but he has become one of the highest paid, and most successful non-europian players in history. Maybe that sounds great to Graham, and even getting a shot at the D-League is icing on the cake to him.

I hope he comes back, but if he doesn't, I wish him all the best.

And on that subject, I am going to say something that will sound ridiculous. I think if Josh Jackson came back for his sophomore season, he could be the #1 pick instead of #3-#10. I know it's a no-brainer to leave if you are a lock to be a lottery pick, but I think being the best player on a great college team, playing 35 minutes per game, would help his game progress much more than playing 25 minutes a game on a bad NBA team, where he will be the 3rd or 4th option, spending most of his on court time without the ball in his hands. I know. I said I was going to say something ridiculous.

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PB, this is where the point of Josh Jackson staying in school to improve his draft stock was made and how the conversation started. Stop trying to troll me, loser.
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Same thing happened in the Royals thread until mods had to step in to get it back on track.
and same person (PB) was the 1 who made the post calling out Saul Good and myself out of nowhere

...yet he's then trying to blame me for threads being derailed

Yeah, ok.
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if players can't develop in the NBA as basketball being their full time job ... they aren't going to develop. Thinking you'll develop in college better because 'you're the man' playing against inferior talent when you also have to balance a class schedule (lol) is foolish.

you don't stay in college to develop, it's a myth

Kobe Bryant developed pretty nicely as a 17 year old in the pros ... you either have that work ethic, or you don't.
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