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Confederate States of America…

This movie takes a satirical look at what may have happened if the South won.

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Old 01-21-2006, 04:38 PM   #16
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Slavery would still have been abolished, eventually.

This film is probably more liberal trash. As soon as I saw "Spike Lee presents" my bullshit-o-meter went off.
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It was a joke layered in the context of the time in which it is set.
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Old 01-21-2006, 07:08 PM   #19
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Well, first off if the South had won we'd all be speaking French or in British accents. The US was the only strong nation in the western hemisphere at the time, and if split France and Britain would find it much easier to sail to North America and expand their empires with no strong government in their way.

But even if they were to survive that, there are many more flaws.

1. In the trailer kids are pledging allegiance to the Confederate States of America. This would never happen because the confederates were pro-state's rights and anti-federal government. They'd be saying, "I pledge allegiance to Georgia" or "I pledge allegiance to Vermont."

2. Slavery would not coexist with the technology portrayed in the movie. One of two things would have to happen. One, the states would have industrialized and slavery would have died out naturally because cotton and agricultrue in general would not be nearly as important. Or, the South would have stayed with their completely one-dimensional economy based on cotton and never modernize, or if they did it would not be at all to the extent the movie shows. Neither scenario explains why slavery would exist in the North anyway since there had never been much of a reason for it there in the first place, what with its lack of a real cash crop.

3. Slavery was, for the most part, not based on racial superiority. It was based on economic necessity to the south. They needed it to maintain the planting aristocracy which kept its economy upright. There's no reason to think that the south would sympathize with Hitler. Of course racism was a factor in slavery, but slavery was not maintained just for racism's sake.

4. Go back to the classroom scene. That would likely not happen in the first place unless it was a private classroom with the sons and daughters of plantation owners. These planters controlled society in the south, and since they could afford to have their childred attend privately or overseas they had no reason to fund public education. The literacy rate of this nation would be ridiculously low. This is of course assuming the same economic structure would be preserve.

A more serious look would be a much more enjoyable and educational movie.
Do not confuse history and facts with this movie, people would not understand... Slavery did not have a damn thing to do with the reason for the war...
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Old 01-21-2006, 07:14 PM   #20
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It was a joke layered in the context of the time in which it is set.
Aside from the fact that very few people with any sort of education actually believed the earth was flat at that point in history.

Alternate history is interesting. I've only heard a little about this, so I'm not sure whether this is any good or not, but it's intriguing stuff.
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Old 01-21-2006, 07:26 PM   #21
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Aside from the fact that very few people with any sort of education actually believed the earth was flat at that point in history.

Alternate history is interesting. I've only heard a little about this, so I'm not sure whether this is any good or not, but it's intriguing stuff.
There was a pretty good movie a few years back with Rutger Hauer called Fatherland was pretty good.

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Fictional account of what might have happend if Hitler had won the war. It is now the 1960s and Germany's war crimes have so far been kept a secret. Hitler wants to talk peace with the US president. An American journalist and a German homicide cop stumble into a plot to destroy all evidence of the genocide.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109779/

It unfolds kid of slowly, and it doesn't have the best acting in the world, but it's a pretty good flick.
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I know I'm gonna get blasted for this, but I get sick of all of you flexing your giant brains. It seems as if all of you are experts on every topic under the sun, I wouldn't need to go to college because I would be able to find an expert on American history, science, or government, anything right here. I know next to nothing about any of these topics and yet I studied them all, except government...and science...uh come to think of it I didn't really study any of these I took the minimum requirment (one 3 hour course for each) to graduate. My guess is that most people on the planet are full of crap when they talk like professors about a given subject. We're all ready to claim to know more than people who spend thier lives studying something, football included. I wish there was more humility on here, it would be oh so refresing to hear people say, gee, I don't agree, or it sounds wrong but what do I know I'm no expert. Instead of, well here are the 157 ways so-n-so is incorrect. No, this rant is not for people with the real study time under their belt, if you want to speak up more power to you. But I just can't stand the guy who's a plumber and dabbles in astrophysics shooting off like he's Carl Sagan (No disrespect to plumbers, or astrophysicists intended.)
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I know I'm gonna get blasted for this, but I get sick of all of you flexing your giant brains. It seems as if all of you are experts on every topic under the sun, I wouldn't need to go to college because I would be able to find an expert on American history, science, or government, anything right here. I know next to nothing about any of these topics and yet I studied them all, except government...and science...uh come to think of it I didn't really study any of these I took the minimum requirment (one 3 hour course for each) to graduate. My guess is that most people on the planet are full of crap when they talk like professors about a given subject. We're all ready to claim to know more than people who spend thier lives studying something, football included. I wish there was more humility on here, it would be oh so refresing to hear people say, gee, I don't agree, or it sounds wrong but what do I know I'm no expert. Instead of, well here are the 157 ways so-n-so is incorrect. No, this rant is not for people with the real study time under their belt, if you want to speak up more power to you. But I just can't stand the guy who's a plumber and dabbles in astrophysics shooting off like he's Carl Sagan (No disrespect to plumbers, or astrophysicists intended.)
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Gee Skip, I know you've got some real, practical time invested in beating down the n00bs around here but you may have been a litle harsh.

But what do I know ? I'm no expert on the subject. I bow to your expertise in n00b abuse. Carry on.






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Well, first off if the South had won we'd all be speaking French or in British accents. The US was the only strong nation in the western hemisphere at the time, and if split France and Britain would find it much easier to sail to North America and expand their empires with no strong government in their way.

But even if they were to survive that, there are many more flaws.

1. In the trailer kids are pledging allegiance to the Confederate States of America. This would never happen because the confederates were pro-state's rights and anti-federal government. They'd be saying, "I pledge allegiance to Georgia" or "I pledge allegiance to Vermont."

2. Slavery would not coexist with the technology portrayed in the movie. One of two things would have to happen. One, the states would have industrialized and slavery would have died out naturally because cotton and agricultrue in general would not be nearly as important. Or, the South would have stayed with their completely one-dimensional economy based on cotton and never modernize, or if they did it would not be at all to the extent the movie shows. Neither scenario explains why slavery would exist in the North anyway since there had never been much of a reason for it there in the first place, what with its lack of a real cash crop.

3. Slavery was, for the most part, not based on racial superiority. It was based on economic necessity to the south. They needed it to maintain the planting aristocracy which kept its economy upright. There's no reason to think that the south would sympathize with Hitler. Of course racism was a factor in slavery, but slavery was not maintained just for racism's sake.

4. Go back to the classroom scene. That would likely not happen in the first place unless it was a private classroom with the sons and daughters of plantation owners. These planters controlled society in the south, and since they could afford to have their childred attend privately or overseas they had no reason to fund public education. The literacy rate of this nation would be ridiculously low. This is of course assuming the same economic structure would be preserve.

A more serious look would be a much more enjoyable and educational movie.
Very nicely put. I was also very interested untill I saw it was a spike lee film. Slavery only effected about 6% of the southern population. History is always written by the victors.The South had a legal right to declare its independance from the Union. Technically the North invaded the South. The idea that the North rode down like knights in shining armor fighting a moral battle to liberate the slaves is just absurd propaganda. The end of slavery was a wonderfull effect, but as stated above it surely would have died out anyway.
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Gee Skip, I know you've got some real, practical time invested in beating down the n00bs around here but you may have been a litle harsh.

But what do I know ? I'm no expert on the subject. I bow to your expertise in n00b abuse. Carry on.






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I know I'm gonna get blasted for this, but I get sick of all of you flexing your giant brains. It seems as if all of you are experts on every topic under the sun, I wouldn't need to go to college because I would be able to find an expert on American history, science, or government, anything right here. I know next to nothing about any of these topics and yet I studied them all, except government...and science...uh come to think of it I didn't really study any of these I took the minimum requirment (one 3 hour course for each) to graduate. My guess is that most people on the planet are full of crap when they talk like professors about a given subject. We're all ready to claim to know more than people who spend thier lives studying something, football included. I wish there was more humility on here, it would be oh so refresing to hear people say, gee, I don't agree, or it sounds wrong but what do I know I'm no expert. Instead of, well here are the 157 ways so-n-so is incorrect. No, this rant is not for people with the real study time under their belt, if you want to speak up more power to you. But I just can't stand the guy who's a plumber and dabbles in astrophysics shooting off like he's Carl Sagan (No disrespect to plumbers, or astrophysicists intended.)
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Slavery only effected about 6% of the southern population. .

Cannot agree with that. I figure slavery affected the entire southern population in one way or another, unless one was blind, deaf, and dumb. Even so, I agree with the thinking of states vs federal rights as the primary cause. (Of the civil war)
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Is this person serious? You want humility? Go to a church website.
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