Royals CLASH of the TITANS, Round Three: Cleveland Indians @ Kansas City Royals (4/20) - Page 31

**alnorth** · 09:27 PM

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
CLE (13-5)	0	0	0	0	0	4	2	0	1	7	11	0
KC (11-7)	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	5	8	1

Luke Hochevar had a Perfect Game through 5 innings.

Win, (4-0) Justin Masterson 6IP 2R 2ER 5BB 3K
Hold, (3) Rafael Perez ⅓IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Hold, (1) Vinnie Pestano ⅔IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Joe Smith 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Tony Sipp ⅔IP 3R 3ER 1BB 0K 1HR
Save, (6) Chris Perez ⅓IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

VS.

Loss, (2-2) Luke Hochevar 6IP 6R 6ER 3BB 4K
Tim Collins 1IP 0R 0ER 2BB 1K
Kanekoa Texeira 2IP 1R 1ER 1BB 0K

Home Runs

CLE

none

KC

Jeff Francoeur, (3) - Bottom 9th 2-run homer to left

AL Central

Who cares, its our division, the other 3 teams just get to play.

Starting Lineups

CLE

1. Grady Sizemore, CF
2. Asdrubal Cabrera, SS
3. Shin-Soo Choo, RF
4. Carlos Santana, C
5. Travis Hafner, DH
6. Orlando Cabrera, 2B
7. Michael Brantley, LF
8. Matt LaPorta, 1B
9. Jack Hannahan, 3B

KC

1. Chris Getz, 2B
2. Melky Cabrera, CF
3. Alex Gordon, LF
4. Billy Butler, DH
5. Jeff Francoeur, RF
6. Mike Aviles, 3B
7. Kila Ka'aihue, 1B
8. Matt Treanor, C
9. Alcides Escobar, SS

**alnorth** · 04-20-2011, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

No, but we have to make logical connections here. Yost did some epically stupid things. Pretty much fact. These said stupid decisions cost us. Fact.

Is Yost solely responsible? **** no. Does he share the responsibility? **** yes.

correct, but on balance, Hoch lost the game.

If you have to assign partial liability like in a courtroom, then I give Yost 10% of the loss.

SPchief · 04-20-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

The second balk ended up being irrelevant. We focus on it because we were outraged, but you conveniently forget that he gave up a hit that would have scored him anyway.

So, screw the second balk, it didn't matter.

Perhaps after the first one, Treinor goes out and talks to him and he reigns it it and he gets out of a jam

**DeezNutz** · 04-20-2011, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

correct, but on balance, Hoch lost the game.

If you have to assign partial liability like in a courtroom, then I give Yost 10% of the loss.

In principle, we agree. My problem is that I expect Hoch to perform like a #5 because that's what he is. I don't expect Yost to do things to put us in position to lose, so this is fueling my anger.

**alnorth** · 04-20-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

Perhaps after the first one, Treinor goes out and talks to him and he reigns it it and he gets out of a jam

Anything is possible, anything can happen, but I doubt it. He had a very high pitchcount and had lost it against good hitters. Its hard to believe the runner on 3rd doesn't score regardless of whatever half-listened-to tired words are said.

**DeezNutz** · 04-20-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Anything is possible, anything can happen, but I doubt it. He had a very high pitchcount and had lost it against good hitters. Its hard to believe the runner on 3rd doesn't score regardless of whatever half-listened-to tired words are said.

So why is he in the game again?

Edit: my last pissed-off post for the night. Game's over. We play tomorrow for the split. **** it.

**alnorth** · 04-20-2011, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

So why is he in the game again?

Edit: my last pissed-off post for the night. Game's over. We play tomorrow for the split. **** it.

this is the 6th inning, not the 7th. No one was warmed up and ready to go, nor should they have been expected to have been because Hoch's decline was sudden, unexpected, and rapid.

SPchief · 04-20-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Anything is possible, anything can happen, but I doubt it. He had a very high pitchcount and had lost it against good hitters. Its hard to believe the runner on 3rd doesn't score regardless of whatever half-listened-to tired words are said.

I'll have to look it up, but after the 1st balk i think it was runner on 2nd no one in.

**alnorth** · 04-20-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

I'll have to look it up, but after the 1st balk i think it was runner on 2nd no one in.

the second balk scored the runner from 3rd. After that, there was a hit.

SPchief · 04-20-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

the second balk scored the runner from 3rd. After that, there was a hit.

I'm not disagreeing with that, you're still ignoring the first balk

chiefsfan987 · 04-20-2011, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

I don't think its a given that those 3 or 4 runs would not have scored anyway. Remember, he was in a tough situation. Even if you pull him immediately and go to someone else, at best, maybe you can realistically think we save 1 run. Perhaps two, but probably one. And if its close at all, the Indians take the late innings more seriously and throw better pitchers in there sooner.So no, I flatly deny that its a given that Yost cost us 3 or 4 runs.

Yes because the Indians didn't take it seriously by putting in a guy who hadn't given up a run in his first 8 outtings of the season in Sipp and not one guy they threw tonight has an era over 2.89.

Yost was the biggest contributing factor in this loss with poor decision making on multiple occasions. I forgive him because he does a lot more right than wrong, but tonight he was brain dead in his decision making.

Mama Hip Rockets · 04-20-2011, 11:14 PM

Why does Mike Aviles play in the major leagues?

**alnorth** · 04-20-2011, 11:25 PM

If I start the thread tomorrow (there's no rule saying I have to, I'll probably put it up during lunch if its not up yet) I think I'll ditch this silly gimmick and just display the Indians logo in all its putrid glory.

Any modified image I choose to put up, even when "demonized", looks better than their completely stupid, totally racist Chief Wahoo.

Three7s · 04-20-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Had someone, anyone, gone to the mound and talked to Hochevar after he gave up his frst hit and then balked, maybe the Royals get out of that inning without too much damage.

That's what I was thinking ever since all of that started. I still don't think the Indians really just started hitting him all of a sudden because they figured out something. I think Hochevar just lost it after giving up one hit.

chiefsfan987 · 04-20-2011, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

If I start the thread tomorrow (there's no rule saying I have to, I'll probably put it up during lunch if its not up yet) I think I'll ditch this silly gimmick and just display the Indians logo in all its putrid glory.

Any modified image I choose to put up, even when "demonized", looks better than their completely stupid, totally racist Chief Wahoo.

You should absolutely start the thread. I'm generally just a lurker in Royals threads on here but for whatever reason the Royals win a lot more games when you start the thread. They almost never win when other posters start them and frankly, yours are just better because of your in game box score.

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