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[Jerm]

Yeah, the Warrior DVD is a complete burial...no surprise there.

I just think that segment is the funniest thing ever, Warrior's promos are beyond bizarre.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Yeah, the Warrior DVD is a complete burial...no surprise there.

I just think that segment is the funniest thing ever, Warrior's promos are beyond bizarre.

Sure, but that's basically a typical WWE thing. He wasn't a good wrestler but the reality is, almost the entire WWE roster at that time wasn't. He had a unique look and gimmick and was majorly over and made money. I've seen some shoots with Warrior he's not nearly as out there as is implied, He always addresses things as "my character" "working on a language for my character"

I always wonder if it pains guys like H and Michaels that no matter how hard they try they will never draw like he did. Shawn Michaels era on top nearly bankrupted the company.

[Jerm]

Oh I agree, my point was just that you knew that Vince and co. were going to turn that DVD into a hatchet job and bury the Warrior after their beef with him.

I don't know what to make of him TBH, he just seems really out there for me, both in and out of the ring.

Those promos are gold though...as is Jericho's interpretation lol.

[unothadeal]

Seems like a nice enough guy

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Sure, but that's basically a typical WWE thing. He wasn't a good wrestler but the reality is, almost the entire WWE roster at that time wasn't. He had a unique look and gimmick and was majorly over and made money. I've seen some shoots with Warrior he's not nearly as out there as is implied, He always addresses things as "my character" "working on a language for my character"

I always wonder if it pains guys like H and Michaels that no matter how hard they try they will never draw like he did. Shawn Michaels era on top nearly bankrupted the company.

They were going to bury Hart too before he agreed to talk with Vince and go to Stamford to meet and discuss his history.

And I guarantee you that it chaps their asses. No matter how many illegitimate reigns he gets, Triple H is not, and never will be a major draw. However, someone for 411 did a good job tracking merch sales of his opponents. What he is good at is depressing the merch sales of the guy he is facing because of how he buries them in the feud.

H isn't a draw.
Cena is a draw. I will say that as much as I don't like the Cena character, I respect the fact that he busts his ass inside and outside of the ring, and he makes his opponents get a lot of offense in before he hits the five moves of doom. H has never, ever learned this story.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

H isn't a draw.
Cena is a draw. I will say that as much as I don't like the Cena character, I respect the fact that he busts his ass inside and outside of the ring, and he makes his opponents get a lot of offense in before he hits the five moves of doom. H has never, ever learned this story.

Cena would be appreciated a lot more if he didn't have that Paul Levesque-esque (c wat i did there?) streak of being booked like an unbeatable super-beast a while back. Despite having a bland character and having less-than-desired ability, he's really passionate about the industry.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Cena would be appreciated a lot more if he didn't have that Paul Levesque-esque (c wat i did there?) streak of being booked like an unbeatable super-beast a while back. Despite having a bland character and having less-than-desired ability, he's really passionate about the industry.

Maybe, but since he came back from his first major injury, he gave the rub to Batista, ****ing JBL, Shawn Michaels, whoever got the clean pin on him in the EC match at NWO, Orton, HHH got his pin back, he's jobbed quite a bit for the top face in the company.

Meanwhile, look at Paul's record after he came off his two major injuries.

Since August '07, he has a clean pin loss to Jeff Hardy?, and I believe that is it.

****, Triple H and TV-PG are just ruining this product

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Maybe, but since he came back from his first major injury, he gave the rub to Batista, ****ing JBL, Shawn Michaels, whoever got the clean pin on him in the EC match at NWO, Orton, HHH got his pin back, he's jobbed quite a bit for the top face in the company.

Meanwhile, look at Paul's record after he came off his two major injuries.

Since August '07, he has a clean pin loss to Jeff Hardy?, and I believe that is it.

****, Triple H and TV-PG are just ruining this product

True dat, unfortunately.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

You know, what, I'm just going to keep ranting on Triple H.

Why? Because **** him, that's why.

This post is great though:

I will never warm to him, as he simply has held to may careers back when they were on the brink of stardom. RVD was n fire when he was jobbed out to Hunter, Kane had finally regained that spark when Hunter blocked from the main event. Now I know his fans may sneer at these two but people these were both insanely over when Hunter killed their pushes,. Now then lets begin this talk with Booker T.
The feud they had back in 2003 was a disgrace, Booker on fire at the top was made to look like ****, and the climax to their match at mania remains one of the most disgraceful finishes you will see for a long time. For those who don’t remember Hunter took nearly half a minute to pin Booker which killed Bookers momentum and took him years to regain.
Then we shall fast forward to Cena at Mania in 2006. Hunter the heel in there feud in the build up showed no interest in getting Cena cheers which was a total no no for a heel.Cena was made to look beneath him and even in the match Hunter done little to get the crowd behind Cena. The biggest disgrace to this was of course he had politicked his way into the match, Edge who was in the form of his life should have been in the match, at least he would have got the crowd like Cena which he proved he could do superbly later that year.
Now then lets analyse his return, first thing he killed Booker in a squash match at Summerslam which was to be synonymous with what was to come. The night he buried five guys for no reason including the tag champions made no sense storyline wise except to boost Hunters ego. Then he turned Carlito a decent upper card heel into a total jobber, in the space of a few weeks. The guy was one of the more promising heels in the roster, but Hunter killed his momentum and its he is only beginning to recover from this burial. He has admitted this himself in interviews. We look at the brutal 2008 title reign which was terrible, the crap matches with Khali, the fact that Cena and Edge for some unknown reason were jobbed out to him to sooth his massive ego. Then of course he destroyed Umanga over and over.
I should mention Orton his most disgraceful burial.....
2004, Orton has the title for a mere month before he has to job out to Hunter for months.
2006 Orton and Edge were buried by DX, at least HBK earned some redemption by putting Orton over clean in 2007
2007 Hunter was it again, he ruined the night when Orton regained the title by pinning him 30 minutes after he got it.
2008 Just when Orton’s run with her belt had taken off, Hunter buried him in three consecutive PPVS.

Since Backlash 2006, Hunter has not been pinned with a finisher in a PPV, he lost twice last year on TV which was a result of interference. it’s the manner of his victories as well which leave a sick taste in the mouth, Cena tries always to make his opponents look good while Hunter destroys them.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Since Backlash 2006, Hunter has not been pinned with a finisher in a PPV,

Indefensible.

Where you at, Big Rock, where you at?
Over here, to the rear, with your girl & the fourties of beer.
Where you at Big Rock, where you at?
Over there with the bad attitude cause I just don't care.

[Bowser]

I'm just a very casual observer of wrestling these days, but Hamas has me wanting to see Hun-tor blow out his quad again.


A question for those of you way more up to speed on the WWE than I - Have they had a sizable drop in talent coming up through the ranks? It seems to me that since Austin and Rock have left, it's the same guys having the same feuds over and over, with the names changing back and forth from month to month. And as for the talent that seemed to be on the way up (the Carlito's and Shelton Benjamin's, for example), why were they undercarded?

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Indefensible.

Where you at, Big Rock, where you at?
Over here, to the rear, with your girl & the fourties of beer.
Where you at Big Rock, where you at?
Over there with the bad attitude cause I just don't care.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

During Randy Orton's media blitz of the U.K. last month, PowerSlam Magazine conducted an interview with him. During the interview, Orton's asked if he was happy that Triple H got drafted to SmackDown. Suffice it to say, Orton was. Orton also noted a comment Umaga told him backstage during the night of the draft regarding moving away from Triple H when he was drafted to SmackDown (but before he found out Triple H was moving to). And then you won't believe what Orton has to say on Triple H. Here are Orton's comments when asked by PowerSlam Magazine what he thought about HHH being drafted to SmackDown:

I was at the Draft (on June 23) after I got hurt. I was in the locker room watching the backstage monitor. I was hoping to get traded (from Raw to SmackDown). Actually, it's funny because Umaga just got traded to SmackDown. He was like, "Man, you know what? At least I haven't got to be around Triple H no more." So (Umaga) goes to SmackDown and I'm like, "Yeah ... F--k you!" The last Draft pick's Triple H and I'm like (punches the air), "Yes! Oh, my God! Yes, yes, yes!" I went right up to Umaga and I was, like, "You've got to deal with it now!" It was my favourite Draft pick, to be honest with you. And we got Rey Mysterio, we got Kane, Batista. I've got history with those guys.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Bowser

I'm just a very casual observer of wrestling these days, but Hamas has me wanting to see Hun-tor blow out his quad again.


A question for those of you way more up to speed on the WWE than I - Have they had a sizable drop in talent coming up through the ranks? It seems to me that since Austin and Rock have left, it's the same guys having the same feuds over and over, with the names changing back and forth from month to month. And as for the talent that seemed to be on the way up (the Carlito's and Shelton Benjamin's, for example), why were they undercarded?

Here's the problem: You don't have territories to build guys any more. There isn't any place for people to ply their craft. Furthermore, the territory system would teach guys to wrestle different styles, whether or not it was Strong Style (like the Harts) or the Southern style.

Imagine a pitcher who was able to learn 4 good pitches before being called up, and got to build up from 120 to 150 to 180 to then 200 innings. He'd be much better prepared than a guy who went straight from high school to high A, and then got called up in September and was thrust into a make-it-or-break-it role in the big leagues.

Of course, Vince destroyed the territories, so it's largely he who benefits and suffers from their decline (although not nearly as much suffering as we do).

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Here's the problem: You don't have territories to build guys any more. There isn't any place for people to ply their craft. Furthermore, the territory system would teach guys to wrestle different styles, whether or not it was Strong Style (like the Harts) or the Southern style.

Imagine a pitcher who was able to learn 4 good pitches before being called up, and got to build up from 120 to 150 to 180 to then 200 innings. He'd be much better prepared than a guy who went straight from high school to high A, and then got called up in September and was thrust into a make-it-or-break-it role in the big leagues.

Of course, Vince destroyed the territories, so it's largely he who benefits and suffers from their decline (although not nearly as much suffering as we do).

When I was deepest into wrestling, I enjoyed it because I could read up on what was happening in the WWF, NWA, AWA, Mid-South, the Deep South, and keep up on all the favorites there. I enjoyed it when Flair would cross over and put his title on the line against the Von Erichs, or Steve Williams, or any number of "heroes" of that particular organization. And you're right - it worked in keeping styles and identities "fresh", without being totally buried or foreign to the fan. The competition for the talent between organizations was a plus, as well. Ricky Steamboat made his name in the WWF, but made himself and the NWA a mint when he came over and beat Flair for the title. It's that kind of crossover that I miss, I guess. Going back and forth between Smackdown and Raw really doesn't do much for me, personally. It's just not interesting, especially knowing that any of these guys could turn up on the other show any given night.

Basically, you're saying Vince's desire to be the King of Wrestling has soured the product, and I agree. Like I said, I just poke my head in from time to time, but all I see are the same guys doing the same shit. The best thing that could happen for the WWE is to have the territories come back, and let some up and comers find their niche so the WWE could have some newness to it.