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Old 06-05-2013, 06:13 PM  
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NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily

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The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an "ongoing, daily basis" to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries.
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The secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (Fisa) granted the order to the FBI on April 25, giving the government unlimited authority to obtain the data for a specified three-month period ending on July 19.

Under the terms of the blanket order, the numbers of both parties on a call are handed over, as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls. The contents of the conversation itself are not covered.
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:36 PM   #196
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Pretty insightful interview with the whistleblower here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:40 PM   #197
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Second NSA PRISM Spy Leak Shows Govt, Tech Companies Are Lying to You

A second leaked slide from the NSA’s top secret PRISM operation details how the NSA actually goes straight to the servers of top tech companies like Skype and Google in order to compile your personal chats and information — exactly what the U.S. Director of National Intelligence and major corporations said wasn’t happening in statements made yesterday

http://intellihub.com/2013/06/09/sec...-lying-to-you/
Facebook and Google vehemently denied the govt having "direct access"... in fact, all of them have mentioned that. That just tells us that they have indirect access or duplicate copies of whats on the servers.
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:55 PM   #198
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Lots of point counterpoint. Anybody who believes the Obama folk is a fool. Trust the government today at your own risk. Everything they say is washed by that Cutter gal and Valerie Jarret, rechecked by Holder and last by Susan Rice......ponder that bunch of scum balls.

Then its sent out to Dirk, BigRed, jaZ, Direck, Cosmo and the usual suspects to be rebroadcast on websites everywhere.

Bullshit is bullshit.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:23 PM   #199
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I'm well aware of the past history of computing; that's why I mentioned Moore's Law.

I think that the quoted article may be overestimating the size and scope of this facility somewhat. Regardless, its intentions are monstrous and it should not exist.
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:17 PM   #200
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Bullshit is bullshit.
but, but, cosmos claims to be the one who detects bullshit!
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:55 PM   #201
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:00 PM   #202
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Pretty insightful interview with the whistleblower here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance
From the Q&A:
Q: Washington-based foreign affairs analyst Steve Clemons said he overheard at the capital's Dulles airport four men discussing an intelligence conference they had just attended. Speaking about the leaks, one of them said, according to Clemons, that both the reporter and leaker should be "disappeared." How do you feel about that?

A: "Someone responded to the story said 'real spies do not speak like that'. Well, I am a spy and that is how they talk. Whenever we had a debate in the office on how to handle crimes, they do not defend due process – they defend decisive action. They say it is better to kick someone out of a plane than let these people have a day in court. It is an authoritarian mindset in general."

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Q: Why did you decide to become a whistleblower?

A: "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards.

"I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things … I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."

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Q: But isn't there a need for surveillance to try to reduce the chances of terrorist attacks such as Boston?

A: "We have to decide why terrorism is a new threat. There has always been terrorism. Boston was a criminal act. It was not about surveillance but good, old-fashioned police work. The police are very good at what they do."

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Q: What do the leaked documents reveal?

A: "That the NSA routinely lies in response to congressional inquiries about the scope of surveillance in America. I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinised most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians."

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Q: What about the response in general to the disclosures?

A: "I have been surprised and pleased to see the public has reacted so strongly in defence of these rights that are being suppressed in the name of security. It is not like Occupy Wall Street but there is a grassroots movement to take to the streets on July 4 in defence of the Fourth Amendment called Restore The Fourth Amendment and it grew out of Reddit. The response over the internet has been huge and supportive."

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Q: How to you feel now, almost a week after the first leak?

A: "I think the sense of outrage that has been expressed is justified. It has given me hope that, no matter what happens to me, the outcome will be positive for America. I do not expect to see home again, though that is what I want."

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Obama smear team on Edward Snowden will be in full swing Monday morning.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:04 PM   #203
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Obama smear team on Edward Snowden will be in full swing Monday morning.
Yesirree! He contradicts Obama and Obama will have to respond. I expect the man to be pilloried, while Obama's team will appear reasonable. Obama may just have him kidnapped and sent to extraordinary rendition. Sure hope, the poor guy really covers his tracks to protect himself. Obama, who promised to restored civil liberties, has not been kind to whistleblowers.

This is a much bigger scandal than Watergate as it reaches in so many directions.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:19 PM   #204
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Yesirree! He contradicts Obama and Obama will have to respond. I expect the man to be pilloried, while Obama
s team appear reasonable. Obama may just have him kidnapped and sent to extraordinary rendition. Sure hope, the poor guy really covers his tracks to protect himself. Obama, who promised to restored civil liberties, has not been kind to whistleblowers.

This is a much bigger scandal than Watergate as it reaches in so many directions.
On Benghazi: As previously stated, throwing the CIA under the bus never works.

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Old 06-09-2013, 09:22 PM   #205
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This is a much bigger scandal than Watergate as it reaches in so many directions.
It's the climax of a 100+ year plot. The real Coup d'état happened at Jekyll Island back in 1912 when they planned the central bank takeover with the Federal Reserve Bank and the IRS both going live in 1913 for a 100 year charter...

Everything begins with Rothschild, JP Morgan and the Rockefeller families. They own the biggest banks, the biggest oil companies... and they fund the politicians and the military industrial complex through campaign contributions and the good 'ole boy network.

This isn't an exclusive Obama or Bush deal... it goes way beyond those puppets. It's the shadow puppeteers who've been setting this up... the fathers and the grandfathers of those in charge now.

It's a long con... a glacial-slow con that's now speeding up exponentially... and some of the curtain is beginning to unravel.

The end game is about to be played out on a grand stage.
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:04 PM   #206
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Haven't read the thread in its entire-ity, but:

MOST AMERICANS: "I got nothin' to hide, I got nuthin' to worry 'bout. If the stoopid gub-mert wants to eaves drop on my sweet nuthins to my heart-throb, or my rant to my tweener on the way to pick 'er up from soccer practice...so friggin' what? I could give two shits less. And that's all I gots to say."

Not sayin' I agree entirely, but....well, pretty much.
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:45 AM   #207
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Pretty insightful interview with the whistleblower here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...r-surveillance
Very interesting. It'll be interesting to see what happens to this kid.

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That access, along with the almost three years he spent around CIA officers, led him to begin seriously questioning the rightness of what he saw.

He described as formative an incident in which he claimed CIA operatives were attempting to recruit a Swiss banker to obtain secret banking information. Snowden said they achieved this by purposely getting the banker drunk and encouraging him to drive home in his car. When the banker was arrested for drunk driving, the undercover agent seeking to befriend him offered to help, and a bond was formed that led to successful recruitment.

"Much of what I saw in Geneva really disillusioned me about how my government functions and what its impact is in the world," he says. "I realised that I was part of something that was doing far more harm than good."
Maybe I have really low standards for the CIA but that sounds pretty tame to me. How naive would you need to be for that incident to have a lasting and profound impact on your view of the CIA and/or our government.

Oh noes! The organization that I just joined that is built around lying to people and stealing their shit isn't operating with the utmost honor and integrity.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:04 AM   #208
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Haven't read the thread in its entire-ity, but:

MOST AMERICANS: "I got nothin' to hide, I got nuthin' to worry 'bout. If the stoopid gub-mert wants to eaves drop on my sweet nuthins to my heart-throb, or my rant to my tweener on the way to pick 'er up from soccer practice...so friggin' what? I could give two shits less. And that's all I gots to say."

Not sayin' I agree entirely, but....well, pretty much.
That's called a Brave New World kinda sheep.
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Old 06-10-2013, 07:54 AM   #209
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Very interesting. It'll be interesting to see what happens to this kid.



Maybe I have really low standards for the CIA but that sounds pretty tame to me. How naive would you need to be for that incident to have a lasting and profound impact on your view of the CIA and/or our government.

Oh noes! The organization that I just joined that is built around lying to people and stealing their shit isn't operating with the utmost honor and integrity.
Yeah, I agree. Pretty tame stuff. And when it comes to recruiting foreign assets, I think it's perfectly acceptable.
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