Chiefs Can Tyler Thigpen succeed when not in the spread?

suds79 · 11-12-2008, 11:29 AM

That’s what I want to see over the remainder of this season. To his credit, I think thus far he’s done a pretty good job.

But that’s what I want to see from him to be sure he could be our QBOTF.

Do I like that we’ve gone to the spread? Yes. I think it’s great for scoring a lot of points. Furthermore, I think the Spread is to quarterbacks what Denver’s system & O-line is to RBs… Almost anybody can succeed in it. (assuming you can pass).

I think in the 2nd half against San Diego we got away from the spread (until late) and our offense sputtered. Who’s to blame for that? I’m not sure.

But that’s what I’m looking for from Tyler the rest of the season. How does he operate out of more traditional sets?

What do u guys think?

raybec 4 · 11-12-2008, 11:34 AM

What difference would it make if he can succeed in another system if the team can continue to succeed in this one. My question is can the spread be successful over the rest of the season.

KCUnited · 11-12-2008, 11:37 AM

I think the spread is helping our Oline and backs just as much as it is Thigpen. Can we get the matchups we need on O without the spread is a better question.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-12-2008, 11:41 AM

Could Joe Montana have been successful outside of the West Coast offense?

You build an offense around the tools of the QB, which is exactly what's happening in Kansas City.

MIAdragon · 11-12-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Could Joe Montana have been successful outside of the West Coast offense?

You build an offense around the tools of the QB, which is exactly what's happening in Kansas City.

QFT!

Ecto-I · 11-12-2008, 11:52 AM

I think part of Tyler's lesser success in the "non-spread" formations is due to the suckiness of our running game. Without a running game, conventional formations become harder to pass out of when the defense KNOWS you're going pass. The D concerns themselves less with the backfield runners because, hey, they're not a real threat.

If you HAVE to pass and everyone knows it, might as well do it in the formation that gives you the best matchups and best view of the field. It's very likely Tyler COULD succeed in other formations given a running game.

blueballs · 11-12-2008, 11:55 AM

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Mr. Plow · 11-12-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Could Joe Montana have been successful outside of the West Coast offense?

You build an offense around the tools of the QB, which is exactly what's happening in Kansas City.

As long as they continue to build to his strengths, I'm all for it. A spread offense is a Priest Holmes wet dream.

If they try to go back to Herm's offense, we may be in trouble.

smittysbar · 11-12-2008, 11:56 AM

He goes under center too. They are doing both. So far he has handled it good.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-12-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

As long as they continue to build to his strengths, I'm all for it. A spread offense is a Priest Holmes wet dream.

If they try to go back to Herm's offense, we may be in trouble.

Herm said in his presser yesterday that this is the offense and that LJ will need to learn how to fit in because we aren't going back.

LJ's a goner in 2009, anyway.

Reerun_KC · 11-12-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Herm said in his presser yesterday that this is the offense and that LJ will need to learn how to fit in because we aren't going back.

LJ's a goner in 2009, anyway.

After 2.5 years of lying spew out of Herms mouth, I am not ready to crown him as the savior of the modern forward pass just yet....

Herm will have to prove, that with a lead, he will continue to attack and score points... He will have to prove he can allow Gailey to make adjustments at the half.

Until then, its just more of the same from Herm, double talk and flustration.

**SAUTO** · 11-12-2008, 12:32 PM

funny how alot of people were saying that SD's 3-4 would give thiggy fits. IMO he handled it REAL well for his experience

blueballs · 11-12-2008, 12:34 PM

He stayed in pocket and took hits
after watching Brodie do the same knowing something was going to break
how could he not -and face his teammates

Mr. Laz · 11-12-2008, 12:45 PM

wouldn't the more appropriate question be "Are we capable of running a spread offense to fit Thigpen?"

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-12-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

wouldn't the more appropriate question be "Are we capable of running a spread offense to fit Thigpen?"

I think that question's already been answered.

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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	Can Tyler Thigpen succeed when not in the spread? That’s what I want to see over the remainder of this season. To his credit, I think thus far he’s done a pretty good job. But that’s what I want to see from him to be sure he could be our QBOTF. Do I like that we’ve gone to the spread? Yes. I think it’s great for scoring a lot of points. Furthermore, I think the Spread is to quarterbacks what Denver’s system & O-line is to RBs… Almost anybody can succeed in it. (assuming you can pass). I think in the 2nd half against San Diego we got away from the spread (until late) and our offense sputtered. Who’s to blame for that? I’m not sure. But that’s what I’m looking for from Tyler the rest of the season. How does he operate out of more traditional sets? What do u guys think?
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11-12-2008, 11:34 AM	#2
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KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $2328244	I think the spread is helping our Oline and backs just as much as it is Thigpen. Can we get the matchups we need on O without the spread is a better question.
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Ecto-I The only way to Travel. Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In the car Casino cash: $5363602	I think part of Tyler's lesser success in the "non-spread" formations is due to the suckiness of our running game. Without a running game, conventional formations become harder to pass out of when the defense KNOWS you're going pass. The D concerns themselves less with the backfield runners because, hey, they're not a real threat. If you HAVE to pass and everyone knows it, might as well do it in the formation that gives you the best matchups and best view of the field. It's very likely Tyler COULD succeed in other formations given a running game.
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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	wouldn't the more appropriate question be "Are we capable of running a spread offense to fit Thigpen?" __________________
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