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Missouri on Right To Farm Bill

Interesting vote coming up on this one. For the Missourians, where do you stand on this one? You can read about it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/us...tion.html?_r=0
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When a bill is being sponsored by big agribusiness whilst funneling money into the ad campaign's with questionable legality, it's usually a good bet it's going to **** over small farmers.

The Missouri Pork Association has spent close to 1/4 million dollars supporting this admendment. There's only one problem with that: almost all of MPA's money comes from federal "check off" money, which can't be used for political advocacy and/or lobbying.

Regarding the bill: in effect, it allows an entity to define something as "farming" and then be almost wholly protected. This country already has enough problems with antibiotic-resistant pathogens and groundwater contamination from agricultural overuse to give concentrated feedlots a free reign on what their practices can be.

I grew up in a small town in Missouri that wasn't too far from a massive pig CAFO that moved in during the mid 90's. They would have almost weekly shit run-offs that would pollute the local streams and groundwater, killing millions of fish, sullying the land in the process. In addition to the dirt wages they paid, they essentially destroyed local hog farming in a multi-county radius while producing worse meat with a greater negative environmental impact.

If you have papers like the Joplin Globe and Springfield joining in concert w/ the Star and Post-Dispatch against this, I think it's fair to assume it's not in the best interest of the average farmer.

For people who are supposedly strict interpreters of a Constitution, doesn't it strike one as odd that they feel the need to add an amendment do define farming?

They didn't need one to overturn the puppy mill ballot that was passed in 2010, but they need one for this?

Agribusiness isn't the business of producing better quality food; they exist to make money and they do that by eliminating competition. They've almost completely liquidated the small family farmer. Now, if they have carte blanche with regard to their farming practices, how does one step in if such practices are found to be even more harmful than multiple studies have already demonstrated?
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If you have papers like the Joplin Globe and Springfield joining in concert w/ the Star and Post-Dispatch against this, I think it's fair to assume it's not in the best interest of the average farmer.

Generally, anything those papers are for, it is best to go 180 out from on their position. They are predictable and consistent. Never trust a city boy paper on a rural matter. No from them on amendments 1, 5 and 8. Yes on 7: more taxs. http://moscout.com/papers-positions/
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When a bill is being sponsored by big agribusiness whilst funneling money into the ad campaign's with questionable legality, it's usually a good bet it's going to **** over small farmers.

The Missouri Pork Association has spent close to 1/4 million dollars supporting this admendment. There's only one problem with that: almost all of MPA's money comes from federal "check off" money, which can't be used for political advocacy and/or lobbying.

Regarding the bill: in effect, it allows an entity to define something as "farming" and then be almost wholly protected. This country already has enough problems with antibiotic-resistant pathogens and groundwater contamination from agricultural overuse to give concentrated feedlots a free reign on what their practices can be.

I grew up in a small town in Missouri that wasn't too far from a massive pig CAFO that moved in during the mid 90's. They would have almost weekly shit run-offs that would pollute the local streams and groundwater, killing millions of fish, sullying the land in the process. In addition to the dirt wages they paid, they essentially destroyed local hog farming in a multi-county radius while producing worse meat with a greater negative environmental impact.

If you have papers like the Joplin Globe and Springfield joining in concert w/ the Star and Post-Dispatch against this, I think it's fair to assume it's not in the best interest of the average farmer.

For people who are supposedly strict interpreters of a Constitution, doesn't it strike one as odd that they feel the need to add an amendment do define farming?

They didn't need one to overturn the puppy mill ballot that was passed in 2010, but they need one for this?

Agribusiness isn't the business of producing better quality food; they exist to make money and they do that by eliminating competition. They've almost completely liquidated the small family farmer. Now, if they have carte blanche with regard to their farming practices, how does one step in if such practices are found to be even more harmful than multiple studies have already demonstrated?
I think you are overstating the effect of the bill. Any livestock lot with over 300 head has to follow EPA ferile water containment laws. Any antibiotic usage still has to follow label rates set forth by the FDA.

My (admittedly limited) understanding is that no state law can supersede these federal laws.

I think this is aimed at GMO labeling and hokey shit like the push for free range nonsense.

There is no getting out from under EPA or FDA. BY the way they tightened the requirements for containment, especially around watersheds a few years ago so the hog ferile water situation around your hometown may have improved.
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On August 5, voters in Missouri’s primary election will be asked to consider Amendment 1, otherwise known as the Farming Rights Amendment. The ballot question for Amendment 1 reads:

"Shall the Missouri Constitution be amended to ensure that the right of Missouri citizens to engage in agricultural production and ranching practices shall not be infringed?"
In an a desperate attempt to keep the door open for future regulation, outside interest groups are spending thousands of dollars to spread myths and misinformation about Right to Farm in Missouri.

Here are a few of the false claims Missourians have heard over the past couple of weeks:

FALSE CLAIM #1: Passing Right to Farm would hurt family farmers.

FACT: Many of the sponsors of the “Right to Farm” measure are family farmers who have seen firsthand the growing threat of undue regulation from out-of-state lobbying groups. Amendment 1 is designed to protect Missouri’s rich tradition of agriculture. This proposal was written by family farmers for family farmers.



FALSE CLAIM #2: Amendment 1 was designed by Monsanto to grant the corporation more power and flexibility.

FACT: Farmers from all corners of the state came to the table to draft legislation for the Farming Rights Amendment. This proposal is about protecting Missouri’s farmers and ranchers, not corporate greed. In fact, Monsanto has chosen to stay neutral on Amendment 1 by opting out of lobbying and campaign efforts.

FALSE CLAIM #3: Right to Farm would allow for more foreign ownership of Missouri land.



FACT: Missouri already has a law in place that limits foreign ownership of farmland in the state to a marginal 1%. In no way would Amendment 1 change or repeal that law. The above misleading ad was paid for by a Washington, D.C. based lobbying group whose leaders have made it their goal to eliminate all animal agriculture.

SOURCE OF CONFUSION: HSUS is paying large amounts of money to air factually inaccurate ads in an attempt to turn Missouri against its most important industry. Mike Deering, Vice President of the Missouri Cattlemen’s Association, exposed this tactic in an Op-Ed he wrote for the Missouri Times:

"Vice President of Outreach and Engagement for the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) Joe Maxwell and his sidekicks packed a lot of misleading information, topped with outright lies into a “confusion grenade” and threw it out in the middle of a crowd and watched as innocent Missourians are caught up in a web of intentional head scratching."
THE TRUTH: Amendment 1 is a preemptive solution to the growing threat of farm-killing regulation crafted by out-of-state interests. State Auditor Tom Schweich explained why he supports Right to Farm in a press release earlier this month:

"The Right to Farm amendment gives the necessary constitutional protection to Missouri farmers and ranchers to ensure they will have the needed tools to fight back against future laws that could negatively affect their ability to farm."
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The other interesting one is the sales tax increase for funding for MoDot


No idea how that will go...
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The other interesting one is the sales tax increase for funding for MoDot


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Welp, it's not like you can drive a mile without orange cones anymore. That being said, if I could feel sure Nixon won't ass-**** the money that comes in for this and use it for something else, I'd be all for it. But I know democrats, they lie like no human ever has, so I doubt it'll really get used for roads - it'll somehow get diverted for pools in the hood and 53" flat-screens for anybody who will vote for any mother****ing useless liberal.
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Welp, it's not like you can drive a mile without orange cones anymore. That being said, if I could feel sure Nixon won't ass-**** the money that comes in for this and use it for something else, I'd be all for it. But I know democrats, they lie like no human ever has, so I doubt it'll really get used for roads - it'll somehow get diverted for pools in the hood and 53" flat-screens for anybody who will vote for any mother****ing useless liberal.

Nixon is hard to read. He actually seems to be a democrat with a brain. Then about the time you feel he is ok he does some stupid move that makes you wonder.

I know they need the $$ for roads but a sales tax gives the semi truck business a pass once again. The weights they allow now are a function of the truck lobby and they tear the hell out of our roads. But the tax on semis has not kept up. If the Trucks paid their share Id be more inclined to look to a tax to take care of roads.

The other part that is bad in this proposal is funding that dumb ass Kansas City Street car deal....what a joke. They can pay for that themselves.
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Nixon is hard to read. He actually seems to be a democrat with a brain. Then about the time you feel he is ok he does some stupid move that makes you wonder.

I know they need the $$ for roads but a sales tax gives the semi truck business a pass once again. The weights they allow now are a function of the truck lobby and they tear the hell out of our roads. But the tax on semis has not kept up. If the Trucks paid their share Id be more inclined to look to a tax to take care of roads.

The other part that is bad in this proposal is funding that dumb ass Kansas City Street car deal....what a joke. They can pay for that themselves.
I tend to agree with KC's useless Street Car and light rail deals. Both are going to be used so sparingly that thye'll be useless. Now, scrap that stupid Street Car deal and move forward with the light rail to areas where it's useful (the burbs!!), and you might sell me. But what I've seen so far is just an upgrade to the bus system. Granted, I'm in the burbs, I've used the bus, but those few spurs they make to the burbs are an aberration meant to allow for a "yes we do" argument. LOL, right! Anyway, create what they've done in D.C., and you'll sell me. Until then, they'll keep wasting coin.
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I tend to agree with KC's useless Street Car and light rail deals. Both are going to be used so sparingly that thye'll be useless. Now, scrap that stupid Street Car deal and move forward with the light rail to areas where it's useful (the burbs!!), and you might sell me. But what I've seen so far is just an upgrade to the bus system. Granted, I'm in the burbs, I've used the bus, but those few spurs they make to the burbs are an aberration meant to allow for a "yes we do" argument. LOL, right! Anyway, create what they've done in D.C., and you'll sell me. Until then, they'll keep wasting coin.

You aint seen nothing till they start ****ing up KCI. That nothing but a cash grab by Sly and his crooked crony buddies in the construction business. KC is a shithole of corrupt urban politics just like StL.
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