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Old 09-20-2013, 04:01 PM  
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PFF, week 3

My god, there's just tons of interesting stuff to talk about this week.

1. Eric Fisher is an absolute dumpster fire. One more sack allowed, two penalties, and a QB hit, and two other hurries. He's bad right now. His whole season has been bad. Two sacks allowed, 7 QB hurries, 3 penalties, and his run blocking isn't good, either. He's the 66th rated OT (out of 68 guys).

2. We ran 84 plays last night. After all the talk about the Eagles running 300 plays a game, we had 14 more. lulz

3. Like I said last night, Justin Houston earned an 8.3 for that game. That's the highest grade I've ever seen anyone on PFF ever get for one game. He's currently the #1 OLB in football, and leads them all in stops, sacks and batted passes.

4. Interestingly enough, Tamba Hali had 8 QB pressures last night. He had a fine game, and actually leads all OLBs in pressures this year. Rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated.

5. Poe didn't pick up a sack, but got 3 QB hurries of his own. If this guy is picking up 2 sacks or 3 hurries every game, wow. He's sitting comfortably at #10.

6. Tyson Jackson is your unsung hero for the week with a 5.6. That's beasting. 4.0 of it was in pass rush, and he had 3 QB pressures. Who was blocking Tyson Jackson last night? He sucks. Both Jackson and DeVito are ranked in the top 5 among 3-4 DEs.

7. Posted this elsewhere, but it bears repeating: Eric Berry is the #1 safety against the pass, and #2 in stops. He's been targeted 11 times and allowed only 35 yards. He's playing well.

8. Sadly, PFF doesn't like Alex Smith's checkdowns. He's currently their 32nd rated QB.

9. Anthony Sherman is the #1 FB in pro football. That trade looks pretty good.
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:10 AM   #166
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Well and a lot of it is he's not used to playing on the right side.

He's used to planting a certain way, his muscles are used to being used a certain way, so naturally he's going to be much stronger playing as a LT.

It's just like dribbling a basketball. If you're right handed, dribbling with your left hand won't be as fluid, it won't feel natural, and you're not going to be as good as a ball handler coming down the lane.

Same concept with blocking. You need to plant your feet/legs for stability and leverage and you're naturally going to lean on your stronger plant foot for better leverage. Right now Fisher isn't playing like that. You can tell when he's just getting blasted from the snap falling down on his ass. He's not balanced and he's playing with no leverage at all compared to his opponent.

If it were up to me. I'd say **** whatever Albert has to say and I'd move him to RT and place Fisher at LT just to see if there's any improvement in the Oline as a whole, or if Albert is able to handle going to the RT spot better than Fisher is able to. I know people on this board hate that idea...but this Oline isn't going to do much for this offense unless Fisher players better. Our interior Oline is already shaky as it is. Albert is really our only strong point on our Oline. They're not terrible....but they're still very young and need much improvement IMO.
Albert has been nearly as bad as Fisher-so not sure it would help to move them unless it is to another team-lol
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:11 AM   #167
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Well and a lot of it is he's not used to playing on the right side.

He's used to planting a certain way, his muscles are used to being used a certain way, so naturally he's going to be much stronger playing as a LT.

It's just like dribbling a basketball. If you're right handed, dribbling with your left hand won't be as fluid, it won't feel natural, and you're not going to be as good as a ball handler coming down the lane.

Same concept with blocking. You need to plant your feet/legs for stability and leverage and you're naturally going to lean on your stronger plant foot for better leverage. Right now Fisher isn't playing like that. You can tell when he's just getting blasted from the snap falling down on his ass. He's not balanced and he's playing with no leverage at all compared to his opponent.

If it were up to me. I'd say **** whatever Albert has to say and I'd move him to RT and place Fisher at LT just to see if there's any improvement in the Oline as a whole, or if Albert is able to handle going to the RT spot better than Fisher is able to. I know people on this board hate that idea...but this Oline isn't going to do much for this offense unless Fisher players better. Our interior Oline is already shaky as it is. Albert is really our only strong point on our Oline. They're not terrible....but they're still very young and need much improvement IMO.
You're exactly right about Fisher playing on the opposite side than what he's used to.

Bruce Mathews, arguuably the best O-Lineman to ever play the game, said he felt Fisher and Joekel would both struggle their first year even more so if they were made to switch sides. He said he felt that Joekel might be better suited at RT after it's all said and done, but said that Fisher had all the tools to excell at either RT or LT once when he settled in. Said Fisher had a lot of upside.

When asked about his personal experience, he said that he hated being moved around the O-Line and when he was, the learning started from square 1. He said for rookies playing a new position, it's two-fold becasue they're getting used to the speed of the game AND they have to deal with opposite blocking techniques. He said he remembers his rookie year and how much he struggled (once gave up 5 sacks in one game to Dallas) and he was playing his normal position. He would have hated to have been made to switch positions right from the beginning.

I'm inclined to listen to Bruce Mathews when it comes to his opinions on O-Lineman. To all who are already screaming,"BUST, " Give Fish time...
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:13 AM   #168
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Well and a lot of it is he's not used to playing on the right side.
Left or right technique is ****ing technique.

That's no excuse.

He's not hand fighting and losing the battle. It's like when the ball is snapped he forgets everything he's been learned and his brain just locks up.

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It's just like dribbling a basketball. If you're right handed, dribbling with your left hand won't be as fluid, it won't feel natural, and you're not going to be as good as a ball handler coming down the lane.
If you can't dribble the ball with both hands you have no business being in the NBA...

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You need to plant your feet/legs for stability and leverage and you're naturally going to lean on your stronger plant foot for better leverage. Right now Fisher isn't playing like that. You can tell when he's just getting blasted from the snap falling down on his ass. He's not balanced and he's playing with no leverage at all compared to his opponent.
EXACTLY.

This isn't about sides it's about basic technique.

You shuffle, drop, push. You have to be able to anticipate the rusher and know exactly when to shuffle, when to drop your level, when to set and push.

He just has no natural instinct for it.

Fish isn't beaten BLOCKING he's beaten right off the snap and he's pushed back from there. There's no reason to rush outside when mediocre rushers can use leverage and push him into the QB.

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If it were up to me. I'd say **** whatever Albert has to say and I'd move him to RT and place Fisher at LT just to see if there's any improvement in the Oline as a whole, or if Albert is able to handle going to the RT spot better than Fisher is able to.
If it were up to me I'd have taken a value-face-raping to trade down (like the Raiders) and taken Warmack and used the best available scrub to continue sucking at RT....
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:13 AM   #169
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Watched the game with an eye towards Fisher:

2 Really good plays (all during the final time-killing drive)
20 OK plays where he at least didn't screw things up completely
11 bad plays where he contributed to the cluster****
7 atrocious plays where he was solely responsible
All the other plays he was either not involved in where the play was going or just didn't factor into anything

On 18 plays he had help from Asamoah to double team the outside rusher

He has terrible balance and ends up on the ground more often than not

On a couple plays that went away from him where he was engaging NOBODY he ended up on the ground (!?)

Most of the QB pressure he gave up came from him being beat 4-5 times with very simple swim moves to the inside.
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:29 AM   #171
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He has terrible balance and ends up on the ground more often than not. On a couple plays that went away from him where he was engaging NOBODY he ended up on the ground. (!?)

Most of the QB pressure he gave up came from him being beat 4-5 times with very simple swim moves to the inside.
Most were bull-rush-SWIM and wins for the pass rusher.

You want to beat Fish?

Bull rush hard then swat/swim and you're in...
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Old 09-21-2013, 10:42 AM   #172
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Most were bull-rush-SWIM and wins for the pass rusher.

You want to beat Fish?

Bull rush hard then swat/swim and you're in...
Or do a head fake-lol Just act like you are going one way and then go another direction. Works every time.
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Or do a head fake-lol Just act like you are going one way and then go another direction. Works every time.
His ****ing movement is $#it.

That's basic.

He ran good drills and that's all well and good but at this level he's awkward and plays way too high.
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I think you are dismissing the real difficulty of switching sides, Rausch.

Technique is technique, as you say.
However, you are reversing everything.

It's like trying to write words backwords.
You have to think about it, and it slows you down from the start.
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I think you are dismissing the real difficulty of switching sides, Rausch.

Technique is technique, as you say.
However, you are reversing everything.

It's like trying to write words backwords.
You have to think about it, and it slows you down from the start.
The only way we can truly argue this is to have a no-life-Grendel-Morlock like Gochiefs provide gifs.

My argument is not that he isn't big or strong it's that he doesn't use it EVEN THE IN THE MOST BASIC FOOTBALL SENSE.

He doesn't lower his level when he comes in contact with a rusher. This is my first argument.

His legs move slower than the rusher (he doesn't shuffle/keep up) off the line and his natural freakish ability to block are negated and he can be (and constantly is) pushed back.

As you retreat every step (pass blocking) you push and punch and hand fight on the pass rusher at an angle that's advantageous to YOU AS A BLOCKER (doing all you can to keep him off balance) and disadvantageous to HIM as a rusher nearly every step.

He's the exact opposite as Hudson. Hudson uses leverage to blow people out of the play by finding where/how to hit them.

Fish has the talent and strength to blow people up but gets face-raped on leverage...
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It does when you mindlessly regurgitate it, yes. For instance, mindlessly regurgitating PFF tells you that Dontari Poe was actually a detriment as a pass-rusher against Dallas. He honestly got a pass-rush rating of -.4 last week. On the season he's only at a .9 total. Mike DeVito has been much better as a pass-rusher according to PFF.

It's interesting to watch in conjuction with the games, though. You just have to keep an eye out for stuff that just doesn't make much sense.
I forget the grade they gave Joeckel week 1 but it was a joke dude got his ass handed to him.

Another great example: Sean Smith who was rated pretty low yet was the best free agent corner on the market. The Niners and Packers tried to sign dude yet we get him and he's been our best corner.
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I think you are dismissing the real difficulty of switching sides, Rausch.

Technique is technique, as you say.
However, you are reversing everything.

It's like trying to write words backwords.
You have to think about it, and it slows you down from the start.
Exactly. Try kicking a FG right footed, then another left footed, I think you'll get it.

Hell there a reason skateboarders, snowboarders, and surfers call their non natural stance "goofy". And a reason doing giddy tricks adds another level of difficulty.
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