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Old 07-17-2018, 04:33 PM  
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WH Orders Direct Talks with Taliban In Effort to End War in Afghanistan

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We needed to get out ten years ago.
Underscoring a policy change that’s been speculated for awhile, the Trump Administration has issued orders to US diplomats to seek direct talks with the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan. Trump had previously ruled out talks with the Taliban, but officials have recently suggested support for the Ghani government’s attempts to start talks.

This comes amid reports of the administration considering a full strategy review for the Afghan War, as nearly a year after President Trump’s announced escalation, things are still going poorly. With no real chances for a military victory, officials are hoping to try to get back to the negotiating table.

Gen. John Nicholson followed this report out of the White House with a statement of his own, saying he is “ready” for direct talks with the Taliban in an effort to end the 17-year-long war. He says the US must have a “key role” in the talks.

President Ghani’s interest in trying to negotiate a settlement, with or without the US, likely reflects the reality that the war isn’t going well, and escalations aren’t making a difference. The White House may have decided that it would look better for them to at least take part in these talks, instead of the deal being made over their objections.
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:43 PM   #16
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I'm not sure why you're laughing. What I stated is completely accurate and provable. Would you like me to do that for/to you?
Why do you spend the time tediously and meticulously educating them, when you know it won't take?
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:47 PM   #17
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I'm not sure why you're laughing. What I stated is completely accurate and provable. Would you like me to do that for/to you?
No, I don't really care about your collapsing view of the world. I don't really need to look back and try to understand your patchwork of thoughts on this.
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:48 PM   #18
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Why do you spend the time tediously and meticulously educating them, when you know it won't take?
Yeah, I'll go with this. Your ideas won't take in the world anymore. They've had their day.
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:53 PM   #19
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Old 07-17-2018, 05:57 PM   #20
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That's a major change and concession.
Why?

He has wanted to get out but it's been his military that keeps advising him otherwise. Even when McMaster was there. He would never authorize as many troops as they wanted either...which was massive. Iy wouldn't have change anything.

Besides the Taliban didn't do 9/11, most didn't even know about it. When Bush was in power the Taliban were told about BinLaden and they said they turn him over if Bush could offer proof—which Bush refused to do.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:08 PM   #21
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No, I don't really care about your collapsing view of the world. I don't really need to look back and try to understand your patchwork of thoughts on this.
What does my collapsing worldview (lol) have to do with this being a major change in policy and a concession to the Taliban?

It is, on both counts.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:10 PM   #22
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Why?

He has wanted to get out but it's been his military that keeps advising him otherwise. Even when McMaster was there. He would never authorize as many troops as they wanted either...which was massive. Iy wouldn't have change anything.

Besides the Taliban didn't do 9/11, most didn't even know about it. When Bush was in power the Taliban were told about BinLaden and they said they turn him over if Bush could offer proof—which Bush refused to do.
Because the Taliban has refused to deal with the Afghan government and has wanted to negotiate with us without them.

So, this is both a major change and a concession to the Taliban.
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Because the Taliban has refused to deal with the Afghan government and has wanted to negotiate with us without them.

So, this is both a major change and a concession to the Taliban.
Because we are going to give the Taliban everything they want? Or are you thinking we're going to treat the Taliban as an entity equal to that of Afghanistan?

If I were to imagine, I'd say the meeting is going to go like "Give this shit up or die. Your choice, but you have to let us know in the next 90 seconds.", or something pretty similar.
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