Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 321

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**gblowfish** · 05-28-2013, 09:26 AM

We're one game out of last. So, looks like the cellar before June 1st.

Prison Bitch · 05-28-2013, 09:31 AM

Perez and Cain have caught Hosmer's "pussy-itis"

**ChiTown** · 05-28-2013, 09:35 AM

The reality is that this starting pitching, while very good, wasn't going to be able to hold teams to 3 or fewer runs consistently throughout the year. And, this lineup, while we feared they would have some power issues, is so much worse than we ever expected. Add those two together and you have a 90 loss season staring you in the face.

Demonpenz · 05-28-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

The reality is that this starting pitching, while very good, wasn't going to be able to hold teams to 3 or fewer runs consistently throughout the year. And, this lineup, while we feared they would have some power issues, is so much worse than we ever expected. Add those two together and you have a 90 loss season staring you in the face.

I am willing to bet that this O isn't THIS bad. Hosmer hit one oppo yesterday that was crushed. He is going to get some punch going. Of course Salvy is going to make a difference when he gets back.

Demonpenz · 05-28-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

I heard Brett on 610 this morning and he sounded really depressed. The past couple of weeks he's been "you fight through it" and "I always appreciated my manager showing confidence in me," etc. Today, he was very downcast.

He's hungover.

WhawhaWhat · 05-28-2013, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

The reality is that this starting pitching, while very good, wasn't going to be able to hold teams to 3 or fewer runs consistently throughout the year.

No team can live up to that. The worst team in the AL will average close to 4 runs per game. The Royals have 3 black holes (Franceour, Getz, Moustakas) in the lineup and others who are below average as well.

The lowest R/G last year was 3.82. Best was 4.99.
The lowest R/G this year is 3.61. Best was 5.41.

Royals are currently at 4.06.

KCUnited · 05-28-2013, 09:57 AM

The funniest part of the Brett interview was when he was like "You could ask Moose, Butler, whoever is playing 2nd if they are having a good year and they would tell you 'no'."

siberian khatru · 05-28-2013, 10:45 AM

Stole this from RoyalPug at Royals Review:

Exhibit A against Moore isn't just Frenchy

It’s the entire position of right field. Moore’s two signings, Guillen and Francoeur have combined to give the Royals more than $70 million in NEGATIVE value over 6 years.

To put that in perspective, that completely cancels out Alex Gordon’s entire career.

mr. tegu · 05-28-2013, 10:50 AM

We are 4-17 in the last 21 games. Wow.

**ChiTown** · 05-28-2013, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

No team can live up to that. The worst team in the AL will average close to 4 runs per game. The Royals have 3 black holes (Franceour, Getz, Moustakas) in the lineup and others who are below average as well.

The lowest R/G last year was 3.82. Best was 4.99.
The lowest R/G this year is 3.61. Best was 5.41.

Royals are currently at 4.06.

Right, that was my point. We were working on borrowed time, especially with an offense like this.

SPATCH · 05-28-2013, 11:15 AM

Cactus League Super Heroes, man.

WhawhaWhat · 05-28-2013, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown

Right, that was my point. We were working on borrowed time, especially with an offense like this.

I wasn't disagreeing, just using your post and expanding on it. The hitters are losers.

**Bowser** · 05-28-2013, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula

Cactus League Super Heroes, man.

Every year, without fail.

We are awesome at crushing fastballs in the desert air from non roster invitees.

teedubya · 05-28-2013, 11:50 AM

I just canceled my MLB.TV...

my message:

I'm a Royals fan. They suck. So please cancel my MLB.TV subscription as I'm done with this pathetic franchise this year, until they trick me again next year with false hope.

TW

**gblowfish** · 05-28-2013, 01:51 PM

I'm going tonight. I'm up under cover so I don't think I'll get rained on. But I might get pissed on by 20,000 drunken Cardinal fans. Wish these pricks in blue could win just one frickin' game that matters to their fans. That would be a refreshing change.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $1790308	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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05-28-2013, 09:26 AM	#4801
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17686178 VARSITY	We're one game out of last. So, looks like the cellar before June 1st.
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05-28-2013, 09:31 AM	#4802
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05-28-2013, 09:35 AM	#4803
ChiTown Stroking to the SB Champs! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Flatlands of Kansas Casino cash: $3333962	The reality is that this starting pitching, while very good, wasn't going to be able to hold teams to 3 or fewer runs consistently throughout the year. And, this lineup, while we feared they would have some power issues, is so much worse than we ever expected. Add those two together and you have a 90 loss season staring you in the face. __________________
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05-28-2013, 09:57 AM	#4807
KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $2328244	The funniest part of the Brett interview was when he was like "You could ask Moose, Butler, whoever is playing 2nd if they are having a good year and they would tell you 'no'."
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05-28-2013, 10:45 AM	#4808
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $2584950	Stole this from RoyalPug at Royals Review: Exhibit A against Moore isn't just Frenchy It’s the entire position of right field. Moore’s two signings, Guillen and Francoeur have combined to give the Royals more than $70 million in NEGATIVE value over 6 years. To put that in perspective, that completely cancels out Alex Gordon’s entire career.
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05-28-2013, 10:50 AM	#4809
mr. tegu Forever Royal Join Date: Mar 2012 Casino cash: $2011300	We are 4-17 in the last 21 games. Wow.
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05-28-2013, 11:15 AM	#4811
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05-28-2013, 11:50 AM	#4814
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9490002	I just canceled my MLB.TV... my message: I'm a Royals fan. They suck. So please cancel my MLB.TV subscription as I'm done with this pathetic franchise this year, until they trick me again next year with false hope. TW
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05-28-2013, 01:51 PM	#4815
gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $17686178 VARSITY	I'm going tonight. I'm up under cover so I don't think I'll get rained on. But I might get pissed on by 20,000 drunken Cardinal fans. Wish these pricks in blue could win just one frickin' game that matters to their fans. That would be a refreshing change.
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