****The official NEW new conference realignment thread.****

[Saul Good]

the second thread has been pronounced dead.

[|Zach|]

Just surprised that after all these endless conversation and information some still have their head in sand in regards to what Texas and Oklahoma wanted to do. It is not a big deal either way lets just call it what it is though.

[Bambi]

Sometimes you're the guy at the bar who thinks the girl is "flirting" with you and instead you're just being shut down. I totally believe Larry Scott attempted the things posted in the article above. But this is America. you can do whatever you like.

Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott issued a statement confirming reports that Texas intends to remain in the Big 12 (or whatever it’s going to be called) rather than join Scott’s expanding conference:
“University of Texas President Bill Powers has informed us that the 10 remaining schools in the Big 12 Conference intend to stay together. We are excited about the future of the Pac-10 Conference, and we will continue to evaluate future expansion opportunities under the guidelines previously set forth by our presidents and chancellors.”

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Sometimes you're the guy at the bar who thinks the girl is "flirting" with you and instead you're just being shut down. I totally believe Larry Scott attempted the things posted in the article above. But this is America. you can do whatever you like.

It is America. You a free to have your head in the sand about Texas and OK to the Pac 12.

This has all been out there forever and is old news.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Not sure how you think that helps your argument.

I don't think anyone is really arguing here. At least I'm not. Trying to pick and choose the actions of administrators of universities isn't going to be worked out on a message board.

I was just told that Larry Scott and the Pac-12 publicly stated that Texas would not be allowed to keep the LHN if they were to ever come to the Pac-12. I simply posted a statement that completely proves that incorrect.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

It is America. You a free to have your head in the sand about Texas and OK to the Pac 12.

This has all been out there forever and is old news.

Fair enough. But when you continually post an article describing witness accounts of a person who had negative views of UT and had much to gain by the perception that UT was "not to be trusted" then please respect those of us who may not completely agree.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

I don't think anyone is really arguing here. At least I'm not. Trying to pick and choose the actions of administrators of universities isn't going to be worked out on a message board.

I was just told that Larry Scott and the Pac-12 publicly stated that Texas would not be allowed to keep the LHN if they were to ever come to the Pac-12. I simply posted a statement that completely proves that incorrect.

You were told that Larry Scott stated that publicly? Who is the liar that told you that?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I just don't see Texas standing pat in a conference where they don't have TLN and equally share revenue with Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Baylor, TCU, Iowa State, Texas Tech, and West Virginia. Why in the hell would they?

Same reason Alabama, LSU and Florida share revenue with welfare queens like Miss state, ole miss, and Vandy

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Same reason Alabama, LSU and Florida share revenue with welfare queens like Miss state, ole miss, and Vandy

Oklahoma and Texas carry the water for the entire conference. In the SEC, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, etc. are all giants. Any two teams could leave, and the conference would be fine.

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

You were told that Larry Scott stated that publicly? Who is the liar that told you that?

I said that..my recollection was of this:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...joining-pac-12

"I think you could certainly imply that, with the news that we're going to announce tonight," Scott told the newspaper. "The Longhorn Network would be certainly a huge impediment."

Now I suppose you could read it other ways, but I read it as Scott saying that the LHN made Texas a no go for the Pac-12. Scott was being politically polite and all that, but his message was pretty clear.

[mnchiefsguy]

Not sure why Hypocritson is wanting to argue about shit that was discussed over 18 months ago, other than he feels the need to continually defend his Texas overlords...maybe his kneepads are getting uncomfortable.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Oklahoma and Texas carry the water for the entire conference. In the SEC, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee, etc. are all giants. Any two teams could leave, and the conference would be fine.

That really doesn't address the fact that the "giants" in your example generate the lion's share of the revenue, and share it with welfare queens. It's the same exact thing.


As to the conference being fine with defections? The proof is in the pudding. We already found out that the Big 12 was fine with 4 defections in terms of the TV contract they got.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

I don't think anyone is really arguing here. At least I'm not. Trying to pick and choose the actions of administrators of universities isn't going to be worked out on a message board.

I was just told that Larry Scott and the Pac-12 publicly stated that Texas would not be allowed to keep the LHN if they were to ever come to the Pac-12. I simply posted a statement that completely proves that incorrect.

How many quotes can I pluck from your own article to refute your point?

"Pac-12 officials are engaged in "active discussions" with Texas and Oklahoma about how to make the Big 12 schools' addition to the conference work, a source within the Big 12 confirmed to ESPN.com's Joe Schad."

"Another source confirmed to Schad on Sunday night that Texas president Bill Powers met with Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott in Los Angeles this weekend. "

"Earlier, The Austin American-Statesman reported the Pac-12 was working out final details to add Texas and Oklahoma to the conference, along with fellow Big 12 schools Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. The Statesman cited a source close to the situation that stressed the deal is not yet complete, but that talks were 'heating up.'"

"Oklahoma State said Monday its regents have also scheduled a special meeting, for Wednesday, to "consider matters relating to athletic conference membership."

"Oklahoma State president Burns Hargis said the Cowboys have "attractive options"

"A source close to the Oklahoma athletic department told SoonerNation's Jake Trotter it's expected that the Oklahoma board of regents will vote Monday to authorize president David Boren to take action regarding conference realignment."

"Another source close to the situation told The Statesman it's expected the Texas board, like Oklahoma, will vote Monday to authorize Powers to make a decision regarding realignment."

"OU's Boren made it known more than two weeks ago that his school was shopping for a possible new home for the second straight summer after entertaining thoughts of joining what would become the Pac-12 or the SEC."



WTF do people like Boren and Hargis know, though? They probably don't even chat on message boards.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

I said that..my recollection was of this:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...joining-pac-12



Now I suppose you could read it other ways, but I read it as Scott saying that the LHN made Texas a no go for the Pac-12. Scott was being politically polite and all that, but his message was pretty clear.

That makes it sound like you weren't lying at all. In fact, that looks like a direct quote from Larry Scott...

[HolyHandgernade]

Originally Posted by warpaint*

It was too late by then. The school thought the league was unstable and it appeared to be on the cusp of doing just that at the time. Obviously that did not happen and from what I can tell probably isn't going to but that doesn't take away from what looked like a house of cards waiting to fall 16 months ago.

What I'm referring to in terms of TX saving the league could have taken place prior to Neb jumping ship.

You said they "had a chance and didn't". That's not technically correct. Unless, of course, by chance, you mean only by Missouri's timeline. Missouri could have, but they didn't, or at least felt, that the offer came to late for them. But, Missouri was not "in" the SEC when the offers came in.

As far as Nebraska, wow. OK, Nebraska voted for the financial setup the same way OU and UT did. When they were good, they were all for it. Then, all of a sudden, they think they're getting this raw deal. Nothing was going to save the B12 as it stood at that time. Colorado was going to leave, everyone knew it, and most agreed it was a good move for them. Larry Scott didn't look at the CU thing and all of a sudden decide to offer a bunch of B12 schools. That planning happened well in advance. There was a lot more going on than just "Nebraska" at that time. The B1G decided to even out there numbers and took advantage of the unstable situation. Once the B1G let it be known it was interested in Nebraska, there was no way UT could bring Nebraska back in.

Let's also remember, that this time period, was the first real big conference realignment moves since the formation of the B12. Everybody was kind of feeling their way around the process as it was happening and the B12 had not yet inked their new contract. You guys put way too much emphasis on the Texas part of the equation. A major player no doubt, but UT is a convenient bogey man for you to heap scorn on. Not saying they are blameless, but we all know Missouri wanted out long before was not exactly the agent of cohesion during this time period.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

That really doesn't address the fact that the "giants" in your example generate the lion's share of the revenue, and share it with welfare queens. It's the same exact thing.


As to the conference being fine with defections? The proof is in the pudding. We already found out that the Big 12 was fine with 4 defections in terms of the TV contract they got.

That's going to happen in any conference, though. The question is why you would want to be one of two pillars out of ten when you could join the PAC and have Oklahoma, Texas, Oregon, USC, UCLA, etc. to help balance the load.