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Old 03-15-2013, 07:48 AM  
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Mike and Mike Talking about Geno going #1 overall
It was just a matter of time. Obviously the Chiefs don't need him but they are helping create a market for a trade.

Apparently Jaws loves the kid.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:50 AM   #331
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LOL at the honkies who've been running around saying "Chocolate Penii". If we draft Geno Smith that'd be great but all the gay racism makes me not want him as much.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:35 AM   #332
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The problem with your reasoning is that you're basing it on guys like Kiper, when most of the media is basing it off of their connections/rumors of what teams think. Geno had a good combine and a good pro day so its not surprising teams are coming around on him.

Its why the Chiefs giving up what they did to go after someone there was little market for is just baffling. I could possibly have seen such a desperation move on or just before draft day or something, but not when they did.
That's not really a problem with his reasoning, because even if 31 other GMs are feeding this positive talk on Geno to the Mayocks of the world, it's kind of silly to think that peer pressure is going to control Reid/Dorsey's opinion of the guy. And of course, the reality is that there aren't 31 other GMs who think Geno Smith is a top tier QB. There may be a few, but probably not even close to a majority. We both know that, right?
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:38 AM   #333
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I think its Reid's arrogance. I think he's convinced he can turn a sows ear into a silk purse. If so we are truly doomed. The only success he achieved was with McNabb and the #2 pick. I wish he would learn from that lesson.
You seem to have learned the wrong lesson. It sounds like you think the position in the draft has more to do with success than the quality of the football player and the ability of the talent evaluator to recognize that quality.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:40 AM   #334
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I don't think they've tied themselves to any player. The Raiders are about to give up on Palmer after a season and a half, and they gave up a lot more.

SP was a special GM, in a bad way. He stuck with Cassel to the point of costing him his job. I don't see Reid and Dorsey doing that at all. They already seem to have common sense, judging by their FA moves. If Smith has a first year like Cassels first year, 17 tds 17 ints, they'll start looking at other options after one year.
I agree. If Pioli had given up on Cassel after year 3 and tried to find a fresh QBotF, he probably would have been extended and would still be here today. It's possible that the horrific coaching job of Romeo Crennel could have still gotten them both fired, but I don't think so. I think the fans would have given them at least one more year to make progress with the new QB.
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I agree. If ***** had given up on Cassel after year 3 and tried to find a fresh QBotF, he probably would have been extended and would still be here today. It's possible that the horrific coaching job of Romeo Crennel could have still gotten them both fired, but I don't think so. I think the fans would have given them at least one more year to make progress with the new QB.
Pioli might have been extended......RAC was gone.
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***** might have been extended......RAC was gone.
He definitely should have been. The never-ending plague of turnovers alone was enough to justify a mid-season firing, IMO.
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If only Pioli had taken Kaepernick instead of Baldwin (and this coming from a Baldwin fan).......Reid would have a QB to work with.
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He definitely should have been. The never-ending plague of turnovers alone was enough to justify a mid-season firing, IMO.
Most of last season was spent under a haze of alcohol and rage during the games but after about the Saints game we weren't even competitive most games. We're talking about serious poundings.

It's one thing to lose but when you're not even competitive change is inevitable...
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FWIW Geno's entire Pro Day throwing session video is up over at Arrowhead Addict.
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If Smith has a first year like Cassels first year, 17 tds 17 ints, they'll start looking at other options after one year.
If Alex Smith goes 17-17, I doubt they will be in a position to draft higher then Draft pick #4 or #5. Which means another year of not being in the position to take the best QB prospect on the board. This is the ONE YEAR they have ever gotten a chance to pick the best QB in the draft, and they will pass for a Offensive Tackle.

Dorsey and Reid will look Monumentally stupid if Alex Smith doesn't pan out. I think this fan base would be a lot more forgiving if they took a chance on a QB through the draft. But of course you will get the true fans next year saying "8-8 is better than 2-14!!!!! Alex Smith is awesome!, he just needs more playmakers and a better Line!".
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If Alex Smith goes 17-17, I doubt they will be in a position to draft higher then Draft pick #4 or #5. Which means another year of not being in the position to take the best QB prospect on the board. This is the ONE YEAR they have ever gotten a chance to pick the best QB in the draft, and they will pass for a Offensive Tackle.

Dorsey and Reid will look Monumentally stupid if Alex Smith doesn't pan out. I think this fan base would be a lot more forgiving if they took a chance on a QB through the draft. But of course you will get the true fans next year saying "8-8 is better than 2-14!!!!! Alex Smith is awesome!, he just needs more playmakers and a better Line!".
Will the Geno at 1.1 people look monumentally stupid if Geno doesn't become a franchise QB or do they get credit for "trying"?
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Will the Geno at 1.1 people look monumentally stupid if Geno doesn't become a franchise QB or do they get credit for "trying"?
We get credit for trying.

If Geno Smith ends up as a bust in some shitty place like Buffalo, that doesn't necessarily mean he would've been guaranteed a bust in a place like KC or Arizona.

KC has good playmakers and a coach with a decent offensive philosophy, I think Geno Smith would excel here... but not necessarily on ANY team.

The thing is, nobody ever knows for certain, not even with Andrew Luck.... but once in awhile you have to take a chance.


This team is going to rid of Branden Albert (a proven good LT) and TAKE A CHANCE on an unproven LT out of the draft.
Why do this on a position like LT, and not on the most important position in football?
Bono/Grbac/Huard/Green/Cassel/Alex Smith has been nothing but shitty to mediocre when being brought into this town.
Only Trent Green made the most of it.
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Will the Geno at 1.1 people look monumentally stupid if Geno doesn't become a franchise QB or do they get credit for "trying"?
On CP they get credit for trying. To 90% of the fan base they look stupid for not getting the vet who could at least get them 7-9 wins.
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as long as a QB gives us 8 wins at home, and allows me to have a blast at the tailgate....
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On CP they get credit for trying. To 90% of the fan base they look stupid for not getting the vet who could at least get them 7-9 wins.
Yup, like it's been said many times... most of these fans just want to tailgate and know there is a chance to compete in each game.
They aren't as invested as people who desperately want to see this team win a Super Bowl and become a dynasty... the people who like this team enough to spend numerous amount of hours posting on a messageboard.
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